Folks:
What would the Pennsy be most likely to use in 1935 to haul the following cargoes to a large iron or steel-castings plant:
-Coke (H22? H21?)
-Pig iron (gondola, presumably…what classes?)
-Limestone flux (GLa? Gondola? Limestone is heavy.)
-Steel or iron scrap (was scrap even shipped very much in 1935?)
So many questions…so few opportunities to time-travel.
-Coke (H22? H21?)
Yes or gons
-Pig iron (gondola, presumably…what classes?)
Pick one.
-Limestone flux (GLa? Gondola? Limestone is heavy.)
Gons or hoppers. Just because its heavy doesn’t mean you can ship it in a H21, you just don’t fill it up.
-Steel or iron scrap (was scrap even shipped very much in 1935?)
Yes. Pick your class.
Dave H.
dh:
So - in other words, the answer to all the above is “Anything with a hole in the top.” [:)]
Hi Auto
The coke would depend on the loading equipment. Remember the H22 was built with slats for loading from small beehive oven suppliers that dumped the coke from wheelbarows or carts.
Scrap could come from gondolas or even flats with stake sides depending on what was scraped. When you say pig iron do you mean raw iron pelets? than an Ore car or even a GLa would do. Even in 1935 steel producers realized the cost savings of remelting than making new. Inside scrap was big from the mills to the foundries. Some plants even had thier own rail road for hauling on site scrap.
Dont forget that making steel produces a lot of slag that the railroads hauled out and used along the right away.
Pete
P:
Beehive ovens, iiiiinteresting. I never realized that’s why they had the slatted sections.
Taconite pellets would have been in the future, but at any rate I’m dealing more with an end-user. Pigs are cast iron in portable form. It takes various forms. Now that I think of it, I’m not exactly sure what form would be most likely - I’m thinking it would be the log-like style.
Scrap - For some reason I thought the foundry would most likely collect scrap from the surrounding area, but of course that’s a little silly - how likely would they be to get enough that way? Probably this would be mostly cast iron stuff, for an iron foundry.
Pig iron in the early 1900’s would be bars about 3 ft long and 4-6 " in diameter. Later pig iron would be lumps of iron about the size of a bowling ball (think of a chunk of iron shaped like a “Dots” candy only the size of a bowling ball).
The PRR had dozens of classes of PRR gons. IF you search for the PRR Technical and Historical society, and go to their national page, then to the “Keystone Modeler”, they have been running a monthly series on how to model virtually every PRR gon and flat class.
Dave H.
dh:
Any idea when this newer style came into use? I’ve seen it at a local foundry, so I’m familiar with the shape.
Hmm…what do you think about wood toothpicks, cut into lengths, and painted rust color, for the older stuff? Maybe spaghetti would work, but I find it has poor damp-resistance.
Some notes from my PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD GONDOLAS data file:
CLASS GR
1902 design composite construction
1938 pix Rail Mod Journal Dec89 p.56
USRA composite gons built 1918-1920 (750 PRR cars)
review Intermountain N kit ModRRer Nov2000 p.20
CLASS GS
G-S and G-SH gondolas, synopsis
PRR #296779 G-S in 1945 ModRRer July99 p.23
CLASS G1-a 2-bay 8-panel rib side
#167514 RailModCraftsman Oct2001 p.29
#214838 RailModCraftsman Oct2001 p.29
#897069 RailModCraftsman Oct2001 p.29
CLASS G-22B
48’ container gons, straight side sill
Carstens Rolling Stock Planbook p.21
CLASS G-26
65’ mill gonm, late 40s
pix Train Shed Cyclopedia #70 p.224
model pix MR Apr85 p.74
CLASS G-27
52’ steel GB, fishbelly sides, drop ends, 14 panels
#347000 pix, Train Shed Cyclopedia #70 p.221
#347000 builders pix, “Trains”, Electronic Age edition,
Robert Selph Henry,1957. (Nueces County Library)
Carstens Rolling Stock Planbook p.21
nearest N model: Microtrains #46000 is 50’ which is 2’ short