But you did, religion is not associated with any carrier other than ONE. Why are the OTHER carriers in trouble and they do not concern themselves with religion. Seems you have shown a sore spot in your view of things. "I would comment…but won’t. But you DID. Sad. Just sayin’ endmrw0804251308
What does religion have to do with Backshop’s (or anyone’s) posts? He didn’t make a comment about Covenant, but maybe you wish to defend their operations?
Backshop edited his post to add the religion comment. Unnecessary to add that comment.
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Why not? The companies that involve religion in an operation not integrally involved with religious practices should be a topic open for discussion.
The only carrier I know of that has really made religion part of their main culture was covenant. But they literally got sued by the EEOC and lost decades ago for that.
The bigger issue isn’t religion in the industry it’s the trainer trainee dynamics. Trainer’s see their trainees as nothing more than hours that can help them make money screw teaching them what they need to know. Its all about the money on the check. I’ve heard horror stories on some companies training programs. The worst right now is CR England and their 3 bunk trucks. They’ve literall converted the area over the cab into a 3rd bunk for another trainee. Those trucks literally don’t have to legally stop except for fueling or dropping or picking up loads.
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It’s not “sad”. It’s a rhetorical device called “apophasis”. When someone says that they made an agreement with God and then their business fails, maybe they shouldn’t post it on their website. Also, my posts have added a lot more to this thread than yours. If you feel the need to follow me around, that’s the sad part. Well, that and asking other members about me in PMs, that is.
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I attacked you?
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Could you say more about that? It seems like it could be an interesting story.
My link tells a bit about how they got started and supposed core values.
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I read it but that’s just PR gloss. I can imagine Harold might have more graphic tales to tell.
Close enough. You didn’t contribute the the conversation, you just called me out and tried to say what is/isn’t appropriate to post. When a company posts stuff on their public website, it is open to discussion. If you didn’t know that, maybe you should have checked. While I’m nowhere near as dialed into the industry as HB, I know quite a bit about it.
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Covenant tried to restrict their hiring to western religions. Then a group of people of different cultures screamed discrimination the EEOC got involved saying that they had to hire them and take religious beliefs out of the workplace.
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Might not the Hobby Lobby decision have an impact on that? The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision in 2014, sided with Hobby Lobby, finding that the ACA’s contraceptive mandate did indeed violate RFRA. The majority opinion held that closely held corporations could exercise religious freedom and that the mandate placed a substantial burden on that right.
Living in a religious area I always found the companies that display their religion like a peacock displaying its feathers to usually be the most hypocritical and/or dishonest.
And there’s plenty of companies here that have religious principles, but they don’t paint 4’ tall crosses on their trucks. They always seem to be genuine.
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And then there’s “Touchdown Jesus” just north of Notre Dame stadium!!
The difference with that case and what qas going on with Covenant is totally different. Covenant was refusing to hire anyone who had a different religious preference at all. They were literally saying that if ypu were atheist through Zenn Buddhist but not Christianity based you’re wrre not eligible for employment. Why the EEOC was able to get involved was 2 fold even though Covenant was privately owned and operated.
At the time Covenant had a training program that took federal government funding to offest the costs along with hauling government loads they hauled long haul mail contracts and military freight mainly MREs and non hazmat loads. Therefore they had to comply with all Federal level employment standards.
Hobby lobby was a total different issue. They didn’t want to be forced to via Obama care to cover contraceptive medications. There’s a big difference. In Covenants case sorry you’re not allowed to work here at all. In the hobby lobby case the company’s health insurance benefits doesn’t have to cover your BC pills.
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I think that is a rule of thumb for most things. People that are preachy of one political ideology or another…rarely follow it themselves or to coin a term, “practice what they preach”. So I would not restrict this to just religion. It extends into politics and other areas as well. I would classify it as the human condition. Which I am surprised nobody else sees it this way but also how we got off on this tangent. Oh wait, I see how we got off on this tangent…lol.
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