A Better Use of EAS money

In my view essential air service money should be repurposed and spent on providing passenger rail and bus service to rural communities and communities which have lost service.

  • Many people don’t use essential air service and often planes are empty.
  • Even at highly subsidized prices service is still out of reach for many people.
  • Many cities are now poorer due to the lack of bus or rail service.
  • The means for providing such service already exists as Amtrak runs both bus and passenger rail service.
  • Wins rural voters who support Amtrak.

I AGREE, AND BUSES CAN DO THE JOB IN THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MANNER IN MOST SITUATIONS. WHEN THERE ARE ECONOMIES OF SCALE BECAUSE OF DOVETAILING WITH EXISTING PASSENGER RAIL, THEN RAIL IS THE BETTER OPTION.

IN MANY INSTANCES, ESSENTIAL AIR MONEY IS PORK.

The San Joaquins, Pacific Surfliners and Capitol Corridor are an excellent example of co-ordinated rail-bus service in the short-to-medium-haul market.

Perhaps more coordinated feeder buses could work in some western states as well. But most folks who want to travel from Missoula to Chicago, for example, would still fly. The time factor (up to 6 hours) or when distances are over 500 miles becomes critical.

Agree. When traveling to LAX during the planning for the system I felt that it would never work. Thought that the auto centric persons would not go even in small numbers to the proposed rail system. Had only a very limited understanding of how the bus feeders would be set up. What a peasant surprize. !
Of course the ability of travelers and commuters to now do work while using these facilities may also be a big factor ?

But those trains have little to do with the EAS question.

in 2011 and 2012 Congress passed several reforms that look more like phasing out EAS. No new communities can be given EAS who do not now have it. Communities that do have it must maintain at least 10 passengers per day. At present 163 communities have EAS which is not really very many. However, as far as I know when a community has its EAS yanked or, if it is not an EAS community, commercial airlines pull out there is no provision for providing any other service. This is yet another example of Congress turning its pack on the needs of Americans in rural areas.

“Most would fly?” Buses can connect with major airports that don’t need EAS as well as with railroad stations.

AND A JOYOUS 4TH!!!

Missoula airport:

by departures:

Allegiant1Utah Salt Lake City, UT64,430

Delta2Washington (state) Seattle, WA62,730

Alaska3Colorado Denver, CO51,820

United4Minnesota Minneapolis, MN43,350

Delta5

A better comparison is Glacier, as it is served by air and Amtrak:

1

UtahSalt Lake City, UT

50,000

Delta

2

Washington (state)Seattle, WA

47,000

Alaska

3

MinnesotaMinneapolis, MN

34,000

Delta

4

Colorado

What is the nearest airport to these two locations that does not require a subsidy, and how long would a bus ride be to that airport?

How many of these fliers would fly if ticket prices reflected the cost of service and were not subsidized?

Does Wilmington, DE, have a subsidized commercial airport, when travelers can make an easy connection to Philadelphia’s?

Neither the Missoula nor Glacier airports are subsidized by EAS and both are close to the towns. If they receive other subsidies, I do not know. Sometimes local communities offer incentives (bribes) to airlines to offer services, but the two in Montana seem to do a large volume of commercial service. I do know that the EB receives a very large subsidy. No airport in Delaware receives an EAS subsidy.

Missoula International Airport (MSO) participates in the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Passenger Facility Charge (PFC) program. This program uses revenues derived from a per-passenger charge to fund capital improvements at MSO.

PFC’s are essentially a user tax paid on airfares from Missoula International Airport. The PFC program was created by Congress in the 1990 Aviation Safety and Capacity Act (ASCA) to offer a new funding source for airport capital projects. It is intended to assist airports in funding major infrastructure development and is charged to enplaning passengers only. Collected PFC’s are designated to fund very specific capital projects that are formally approved by the FAA. They can be used to secure and pay financing for FAA approved projects. Currently, MSO collects a fee of $4.50, minus an 11-cent handling fee to the collecting airline.

Wilmington, DE does have a small airport. It is actually in New Castle. There is a local bus to the Wilmington Amtrak Station which provides SEPTA trains to Philadelphia and from there trains to Philadelphia Airport. A bus and 2 trains is not the easiest of connections but it is possible. Wilmington Airport and Philadelphia Airport are 26 miles apart according to the internet.

PFC’s–passenger facility charges–are not hugh. However, the are hidden costs of air travel which can make a difference, especially on short flights. The ones I found are:

U. S. Excise tax: 7.5 per cent.

Federal Flight Segment tax: $3.00 per flight segment on domestic flights within the 48 states. Other states are higher and international flights higher still.

Federal Security Segment tax: $5.00 per flight segment.

Passenger Facilities charges: $4.50.

This adds up to at least $12.50 plus 7.5 per cent. However, with one change of planes it is $20.50 plus 7.5 per cent. And of course for a round trip flight you have to double everything. So what may seem like a real bargain may not be such a bargain if you need to add in $41.00 plus 7.5 per cent.

Airline baggage fees vary considerably. The lowest are $0 for 2 check bags (Southwest).

The highest are $30 per carry on bag, $45 for first bag checked in at the gate and $55 for the second (Spirit Airways). Total $130. Here is a website with more information:

http://www.airfarewatchdog.com/blog/3801089/airline-baggage-fees-chart-updated/

The key adjective was subsidized, as in EAS, the title and subject of this thread. It is not an EAS airport. It has commercial services on only one airline, Frontier, to five destinations: Chicago (Midway), Denver, Orlando, Tampa, and Houston, effective as of July 1, 2013.

If you look for fares on Expedia or Orbitz, which are the two big airline search engines, the price is total. It includes the basic fare, plus taxes and the other user fees. There are no “hidden” fees if you search and book in that manner. The only additional fee would be for checked baggage, if any.

All of the fees you referred to above, with the exception of the baggage fees, change fees, etc., are disclosed in the quoted price by law. They are paid by the user. Moreover, only the most inexperienced air travelers probably are unaware of the checked baggage fees, change fees, etc. The airline websites that I use regularly (Southwest, American, United, and Qantas) make it crystal clear that you may be billed for checked baggage, itinerary changes, etc.

What does this have to do with Amtrak? Or EAS since the fees referred to apply to all airlines? The EAS subsidies are paid only to a relatively small number of regional or commuter air operators that serve EAS supported routes.

To my mind, Sam, the USA without air travel is unthinkable. We have it and we will have it regardless of cost. However, because it is so bound up with our culture there are a lot of things that are difficult or impossible to quantify. At least I don’t know how to.

9/11 was a real catastrophe for the whole airline industry. The only way out of it was for the government to come in and help and the government did that with many grants and many loans. In addition there was insurance. Costs of airline insurance for acts of war skyrocketed to the point where companies simply could not afford it. The answer was a government subsidized plan to keep premiums reasonable. What this means, of course, is that you and I and all the rest of the taxpayers are really assuming the risk. Some airlines have gone out of business and their pensions are in trouble. The costs are picked up by the U. S. Pension Guarantee Corporation, a government agency. That means you, me and other taxpayers. Finally, airlines today have a lot of pressure to reduce costs. One thing they do is to contract out services wherever possible. This means that the people who perform those services get such low pay that they qualify for government aid from programs for the working poor. Again, the taxpayers pay the bill.

My own airport is Newark Liberty. Each time I go there I have to use my gps to get out. That is because ever since 9/11 there have been safety related projects to rebuild and redirect roads and today they are still going on; I never leave the same way twice. Some are on interstate highways, some are on state highways and some are on airport roads. I don’t know where all the money comes from but it sure is a lot.

And I don’t really know the answer to all of this. Clearly, though, air travel will continue to be a public private partnership. Part will be

Subsidies for airports, airlines, FAA, etc. have noting to do with what the nation should spend on Amtrak and passenger rail.

If passenger rail is a good investment, which it is in some corridors, the monies will be found for it. If it had the potential to generate a return, private investors would put up the money. They have for bus companies, airlines, cruise ship lines, freight railroads, trucking companies, etc.

The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) is a quasi-government insurance company. It collects insurance premiums from the participants. When a company terminates its qualified pension plan, it is simply cashing in its insurance policy. I reviewed PBGC’s financial statements about a year ago. It had not used taxpayer monies to cover its liabilities at that time, although it is underfunded. If it cannot make up the difference, the taxpayers could be on the hook for the variance, but it is unlikely.

Where is the evidence that outsourced work performed by the airlines is done by workers whose compensation packages place them below the poverty line?

A number of studies have shown that air travel today, when adjusted for inflation, is less expensive than was the case before the airlines were deregulated.

Where the money comes from can be traced for any legitimate activity via an audit trail. This is true for Amtrak, FAA, Aviation Trust Fund, Highway Trust Fund, etc. It is more difficult in the case of fraud, but in most of these instances forensic auditors (investigators) will find it. There is nothing mysterious about it if one knows where to look for the data and takes the time to do so.

Determining whether costs have been accounted for properly is another matter. All cost accounting models involved some allocations, as per another post, and allocations frequently give rise to disagreements.

Do you really believe this, Sam? From other posts you have made I though that you believe in order to make true economic decisions about transportation (or anything else) the price has to be equal to the true cost of providing the service. When anything is subsidized then the use of it becomes distorted because it seems to cost less than it really does. A classic example is the commons fallacy.

Of course when we deal with transportation there is no way that it is possible to pay the true cost. I don’t think we can even know the true cost of our spaghetti bowl system of highways. But that is the culture we all live in. But certainly the subsidies for any transportation have to do with the use of other kinds of transportation.