Amtrak's White Paper on Privatization

But perhaps not by much. The Texas Eagle is only one train a day each way.

The State wants to change that but it has been touch and go with various political administrations. At one point they made an offer to UP to rebuild their rail line to the West of the metropolitan areas South of Dallas and build a more direct route to San Antonio. UP got tired of waiting on the state and threw in the towel on the offer. I don’t think the offer was ever a serious one. I hope I live to see the day that becomes a rail passenger corridor but it’s probably decades in the future yet.

Texas could fix this with the mountains of money it has but it does not seem to have the political will yet.

I just looked into this and the result isn’t helpful to the traveler. Greyhound’s new station for their customers is not anywhere close to downtown Cleveland. It’s on the Cleveland - Brookpark border and is 13.2 miles from downtown; that means a $2.50 or so fare to get there, if the there is service at the hour needed. Here’s what I found online at Scene:

"Regardless, the departure is one that will bring headaches, for those connecting to RTA services, for passengers that brought revenue to downtown hotels and restaurants.

And a general annoyance for travelers used to arriving in the city center. Not miles away.

“It’s like an inconvenience,” Tracy, 41, from Pittsburgh, told Scene in the Greyhound lobby, waiting for the bus back home, in April. “I’m going to be honest with you, I’ll probably start catching the [Amtrak] again.”

With discussions about the eventual relocation of Downtown’s Amtrak station—as the most recent lakefront plans line it up for demolition—or faraway hopes of a station at Tower City Center for the lofty train line to link Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus, keeping an interstate bus hub in the central city would actually buck a national trend."
Cities like Chicago and Cincinnati are seeing their Greyhound lines flee to the suburban fringe, as their own Art Deco buildings wait for the wrecking ball or developer plans.

Which will, if things go as planned, will be the fate of the Greyhound building itself. In April, Playhouse Square CEO Craig Hassall announced their intentions to convert the space into a development to accentuate the growing theater district, most likely with a throwback restaurant, retail and apartments.

“We are committed to respecting the historic integrity of the building,” a spokesperson for Playhouse Square told Scene then, “and to working with the City of Cleveland and Greyhound to ensure the transition to Greyhound’s new base of operations occurs on a timetable that works for all parties.”

The old depot:

The new depot. Construction of a new wing for The Dog hasn’t started yet.

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According to the Greyhound website, their station is near downtown


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You’re right, n012944. Greyhound’s website does list the old depot’s address on Chester Avenue, and for all I know its buses still stop there. But look at this exchange I found online about it:

It seems there is real confusion about where the Cleveland station (one hesitates to say depot, because a shelter may not exist) actually is.

Also, here’s the link that led me to make my earlier claim:

Bottom Line: I stand corrected.

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The (Chicago) Loop and River North, West Loop and South Loop are reasonably thriving for businesses and residential, rather less for retail. Is downtown Cleveland so or rather dead. I recall it used to seem pretty down on its luck.

Greyhound has or will vacate its downtown terminal in Dallas and move to 9755 Harry Hines Blvd. It will be located across the street from DART’s Bachman Station. The downtown terminal is a bit like the one shown in the picture above. It will be torn down and the site will be redeveloped.

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Amtrak needs Green Paper in mass quantities, not a White Paper.

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Well, they do a good job mopping up grant money from the Feds but not so much on delivering the goods. Kind of the old “taking candy from a baby” adage in large part.

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