I have recieved information from my dealer that a Broadway Limited ASTF 4-8-4 will be released Fall of 2004.
I am trying to find a suitable engine to model a Western Maryland (J-1?) 4-8-4 without going brass. Will the ASTF 4-8-4 unlettered model be suitable (Yes I think the tender is unique) with appropriate WM lettering?
Ty for your time.
Hello Ty,
I’m sure you mean “ATSF,” and my understanding is that the Broadway Limited model will represent Santa Fe no. 3751 as restored today, basically as when it was rebuilt in 1941. It’s not a very good match for the WM “Potomac” type, which has smaller drivers than the Santa Fe engine and a vestibule cab. The J-1 was a coal burner too, so besides having a different tender it had an ash pan which was absent on the oil-burning 3751.
And by the way, thanks for signing your name.
So long,
Andy
Hello Andy,
I thank you for your answer, I forgot to sign name, I go by “Lee” I stand corrected on the Engine’s road name. You are correct it is the Santa Fe from Broadway I am looking at. Your advice about the “Potomac” 4-8-4 gave me some food for thought. I am not a expert on steam.
I will do some research starting with the Kalmbach’s Locomotive Encyclopedia to try and learn more about the WM Potomac. Again, thank you for your information. I feel this forum fills a need for information and teachings in this good hobby.
Lee
I know it is not plastic but I’d take a look at the Bowser 4-8-4 metal kit. It is somewhat generic and is basically an empty canvas waiting for the detailer to take over
Dave Nelson
Dave,
Ty for that insight. I thought about the suggestion and it has grown on me. I think that the Bowser 4-8-4 has possibilities. It will take some planning and looking for the right detail parts etc (Part of the fun of the Hobby)
I should retitle this thread as a WM 4-8-4 I feel bad if I had misled anyone. I found a website that is www.irritatedvowel.com that is a source of some good photos of the Potamac.
Again, thank you for your advice, it has been most helpful
Lee
Broadway Limited making a working HO model of Santa Fe 3751? I live in the sticks from the nearest city, where can I get any information, also if there will be any conversion kits that can change the 3751 class to the 2900 class locomotive without shattering the budget, also has anyone heard that Bachmann is reviving their 4-8-4 Santa Fe locomotive for market? Thanks in advance for any information
I noticed the reference to my site here. I didn’t realize I had any Potomac photos on it - you must be thinking of somepace else 
Anyway, I have yet to find a 4-8-4 Northern in production that is similar to the WM J1. The main reason is the drive size and type. The Western Maryland Railway Historical Society (WMRHS - join it if you like the Wild Mary!) publishes a data book that covers all of the steam locomotives (they also have one for diesel and one for passenger cars)
Here are some key dimensions on the J1 Potomac :
Length over coupler pulling faces : 110’ 2"
Tender wheelbase (center of foremost wheel to center of aftmost wheel) 32’2"
Engine Wheelbase : 19’ 3"
Height from railhead : 16’ 2"
Driver diameter : 69"
Driver spacing (center to center) 77"
HTH!
Pete Brown
www.irritatedVowel.com
I forgot to mention that the drivers are 69" Box Pok drivers. Other drivers (spoked, scullen, baldwin) just won’t look correct.
Here’s a site with a photo of a J1 done in brass :
http://www.brasstrains.com/r_wm.htm
Also, on my WM Reference page you will find the mainline modeler issue # that contains the full plans for the J1 :
http://www.irritatedVowel.com/Railroad/Reference/Default.aspx
You can order back issues through www.MainlineModeler.com .
Last post on this topic for now
This is considered to be one of the nicest models of the J-1. Of course, it’s O scale so that won’t help you out much. However, if you look at the details here, you will get a feel for what you can do with other engines conversion-wise.
http://www.car-locomotive.com/model-j-1.html
If you’re into WM, join the Western Maryland Yahoo Group at :
Pete;
Bowser does offer 69" Box Pok drivers in HO scale.
Wow. =)
Thank you for the insight. I am asleep at the switch here. (Busy with real life lately) I find this to be very helpful. I was raised near Baltimore and the WM as well as the B and O was strong there. I will make good use of this information.
Lee
I have recieved information from my dealer that a Broadway Limited ASTF 4-8-4 will be released Fall of 2004.
I am trying to find a suitable engine to model a Western Maryland (J-1?) 4-8-4 without going brass. Will the ASTF 4-8-4 unlettered model be suitable (Yes I think the tender is unique) with appropriate WM lettering?
Ty for your time.
Hello Ty,
I’m sure you mean “ATSF,” and my understanding is that the Broadway Limited model will represent Santa Fe no. 3751 as restored today, basically as when it was rebuilt in 1941. It’s not a very good match for the WM “Potomac” type, which has smaller drivers than the Santa Fe engine and a vestibule cab. The J-1 was a coal burner too, so besides having a different tender it had an ash pan which was absent on the oil-burning 3751.
And by the way, thanks for signing your name.
So long,
Andy
Hello Andy,
I thank you for your answer, I forgot to sign name, I go by “Lee” I stand corrected on the Engine’s road name. You are correct it is the Santa Fe from Broadway I am looking at. Your advice about the “Potomac” 4-8-4 gave me some food for thought. I am not a expert on steam.
I will do some research starting with the Kalmbach’s Locomotive Encyclopedia to try and learn more about the WM Potomac. Again, thank you for your information. I feel this forum fills a need for information and teachings in this good hobby.
Lee
I know it is not plastic but I’d take a look at the Bowser 4-8-4 metal kit. It is somewhat generic and is basically an empty canvas waiting for the detailer to take over
Dave Nelson
Dave,
Ty for that insight. I thought about the suggestion and it has grown on me. I think that the Bowser 4-8-4 has possibilities. It will take some planning and looking for the right detail parts etc (Part of the fun of the Hobby)
I should retitle this thread as a WM 4-8-4 I feel bad if I had misled anyone. I found a website that is www.irritatedvowel.com that is a source of some good photos of the Potamac.
Again, thank you for your advice, it has been most helpful
Lee
Broadway Limited making a working HO model of Santa Fe 3751? I live in the sticks from the nearest city, where can I get any information, also if there will be any conversion kits that can change the 3751 class to the 2900 class locomotive without shattering the budget, also has anyone heard that Bachmann is reviving their 4-8-4 Santa Fe locomotive for market? Thanks in advance for any information
I noticed the reference to my site here. I didn’t realize I had any Potomac photos on it - you must be thinking of somepace else
Anyway, I have yet to find a 4-8-4 Northern in production that is similar to the WM J1. The main reason is the drive size and type. The Western Maryland Railway Historical Society (WMRHS - join it if you like the Wild Mary!) publishes a data book that covers all of the steam locomotives (they also have one for diesel and one for passenger cars)
Here are some key dimensions on the J1 Potomac :
Length over coupler pulling faces : 110’ 2"
Tender wheelbase (center of foremost wheel to center of aftmost wheel) 32’2"
Engine Wheelbase : 19’ 3"
Height from railhead : 16’ 2"
Driver diameter : 69"
Driver spacing (center to center) 77"
HTH!
Pete Brown
www.irritatedVowel.com
I forgot to mention that the drivers are 69" Box Pok drivers. Other drivers (spoked, scullen, baldwin) just won’t look correct.
Here’s a site with a photo of a J1 done in brass :
http://www.brasstrains.com/r_wm.htm
Also, on my WM Reference page you will find the mainline modeler issue # that contains the full plans for the J1 :
http://www.irritatedVowel.com/Railroad/Reference/Default.aspx
You can order back issues through www.MainlineModeler.com .
Last post on this topic for now
This is considered to be one of the nicest models of the J-1. Of course, it’s O scale so that won’t help you out much. However, if you look at the details here, you will get a feel for what you can do with other engines conversion-wise.
http://www.car-locomotive.com/model-j-1.html
If you’re into WM, join the Western Maryland Yahoo Group at :