Baltimore Wharf Area, Municipal Piers, Docksider Locos

June 1973, and December 1975, I know, I was there for the photo shoots, I was a member there at that time.

Sheldon

Not Baltimore, but rather Halifax, NS. Somewhat akin to what my imagination was recalling.

I am lucky enough to have two copies of that issue, and the photos are incredible. eBay would be my suggestion if you don’t have access to the MR Archives.

EDIT: Links removed by me

Mike.

Thanks Mike,

Those images didn’t ring a bell for me.

But here is a possiblity,…

On that very first link of the 3 maps that this gentleman provided, I zoomed in and seem to have detected an area that might just be the one I spoke of in my opening statement. But I would need to see more detail of that area to determine that.
https://collections.digitalmaryland.org/digital/collection/mcmc/id/21

In the Canton area,…along Boston St as you approach its intersection with Clinton St there appears to be a number of curved tracks off Boston St into piers along the waterfront? …that area right next to the 90 degree waterfront corner??

Did I describe that correctly?

Wonder how we find a photo of that bit of tracks?

Not Baltimore, but Philly on the PRR:

Great views of street-running, Delaware Avenue, circa 1961 and the perils of same:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kheelcenter/albums/72157663707114067/page1

Note a few “oopses” with derailed cars and road traffic.

PRR_Cabview-Philly-DelawareAve by Edmund, on Flickr

PRR_Philly-1961-DelawareAv by Edmund, on Flickr

Thank you, Ed

Clinton and Boston St is the Canton neighborhood, where the rotary coal pier was.

The Severna Park Club scene is Fells Point, 15 or so blocks away, and represents pretty accurately the intersection of Thames St, Fell St, and S Ann St as it was about 60-70 years ago.

Have no idea where to find photos of that area from the past.

Sheldon

This structure at Fells Point is the closest I can find to that municipal pier I recall in Baltimore,…but looks quite different now as a hotel.

Prior to this remodeling job I believe this building more closely resembled the Walthers kit.

Fells Point area of Baltimore

WOW, I found that a whole lot of the photos on that site were referencing Fells Point area of Baltimore, …not the specific ones I seem to recall, but quite a collection.

And yes those rubber tired switchers are quite interesting.

double headed ‘Docksiders’

How about these two little brutes…[Y]

https://youtu.be/pdO5dSONcU0

You know that was all there was in real life, two of those locos…

Sheldon

I’m not sure I understand your posting?

Of course I am sure that is NOT a real life representation, but I was surprised at the traction these 2 small locos could muster.

Brian, I sure I’m not the only one who is curious, but have you made a decision on your track plan on your peninsula? We’ve seen so many of your images both real life and model, so hopefully you will tell us you’re going to lay track?

Neal

This has been going on for years…on multiple forums…on multiple threads.

No special point other than that fact, there were only two “docksider” locos on the B&O for most of the time they ran. Orginally they did buid 4, but converted two from tank engines to tender equiped, as they never needed all four in the street trackage areas.

So that guy has two docksiders, he has the whole fleet.

So it has always been interesting that a prototype that started as only 4 copies, and quickly became only two copies, has been produced in model form likely well into the millions…

Just like Big Boys, there have been enough produced for every modeler to have a complete roster of the prototypes…and then some.

Sheldon

I hear you. I figured I would be nice and send him an email as he inquired about an area on my layout. Sent it, and no reply, not even a thank you.

Shame the way he does things. Maybe it’s time we stop replying to his posts?

Neal

I’d wager there are even more Docksiders in relation to number of prototypes than Big Boys - if only because of how many people got their start with that Varney Lil’ Joe.

–Randy

Have you ever tried designing a good size, double deck layout yourself?

Plus move a empty handi house shed into a car port that you had to empty a sizable wooden structure out of, then move all the vertical support for the carport out 14" in order to get that shed into the carport. Then build an entire separate 6 foot diameter helix and its own individual housing out back of the train shed.

Then start out with a design in mind that I discovered (thankfully via the forums) that had just too small of double radius loops, did a full size cardboard mock up of that first idea to determine deck configuration and aisle clearances.

Then begin looking at a second potential design, and end up modifying that significally. And now I am trying to fine-tune some of the individual areas/scenes so I am not disappointed with the final results

And all of this work by ONE individual,…me. I don’t have other modelers helping me.

Lets see, when did I start posting on my original idea…August 2017
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/264616.aspx

Then I started this new layout idea in Oct 2017
Interesting track plan, Tupper Lake & Faust Junction

(regrettably that entire subject thread got deleted on this forum)

Bottom line it appears as though I have been working on this for just over 2 years,…that’s not a long time for many model railroaders to get a new layout fully designed.??

Neal, I’m sorry I didn’t respond to your private email. First off it occurred over the holidays and I did not get to viewing it till only a few days ago.

It was interesting material, but didn’t help me with solving/describing the locomotive movements/operations I was trying to picture in my mine. I subsequently sat down and wrote this desciption that I posted over on that other discussion thread.


Potential Operations on the Peninsula

Here is how I would imagine some of the operations would happen on that peninsula.

The mainline train would enter on either of those 2 tracks that meet at the double slip. The mainline loco might uncouple right there, and proceed to get back over to the roundhouse area or the freight yard by way of that escape route provided by the tail track at the end of the container yard and the runaround track.

Or it might go ahead and pull the train thru the container yard, but uncouple and leave non-container car(s) there at the double crossover. It still can use the tail track to escape and go home.

The switcher the comes in to pull groups of container cars into the 2 tracks for unloading. As they are unloaded, that switcher (or a second one) c

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HeavyFeather

This has been going on for years…on multiple forums…on multiple threads

Have you ever tried designing a good size, double deck layout yourself?

Plus move a empty handi house shed into a car port that you had to empty a sizable wooden structure out of, then move all the vertical support for the carport out 14" in order to get that shed into the carport. Then build an entire separate 6 foot diameter helix and its own individual housing out back of the train shed.

Then start out with a design in mind that I discovered (thankfully via the forums) that had just too small of double radius loops, did a full size cardboard mock up of that first idea to determine deck configuration and aisle clearances.

Then begin looking at a second potential design, and end up modifying that significally. And now I am trying to fine-tune some of the individual areas/scenes so I am not disappointed with the final results

And all of this work by ONE individual,…me. I don’t have other modelers helping me.

Lets see, when did I start posting on my original idea…August 2017
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/264616.aspx

Then I started this new layout idea in Oct 2017
Interesting track plan, Tupper Lake & Faust Junction

(regrettably that entire su