Is it possible to adjust the bell rate (Fast or Slow) with the Loksound V5?
I could do this with the Loksound Select changing CV48. But I couldn’t find the information in the Loksound V5 Manual.
Programming the Select was not an easy task. The V5 seems to be a nightmare to me.
Right now the only V5 I have is in the Rapido Royal Hudson. Other than the address I haven’t tried any other changes. Might be different for the custom OEM sound project?
I have two other V5s but they’re still in the package. I’ll take a look if I have time later and maybe wire them up to the ESU decoder tester and see what I find.
The old Selects had a total of four bell choices IIRC, steel, brass, fast or slow.
Regards, Ed
Curious. I don’t have a V-5 but there is no mention of CV 48 or CV 285 in the V5 manual, both of which can control bell rate in the Select.
I can’t believe the V5 is less capable than earlier versions, but the documentation is lacking. The manual for the V5 is huge compared to the earlier versions.
Yea, the Loksound 5 manual seems to be incomplete. While CV283 adjusts the bell volume, CV285 (bell rate) isn’t even listed. [:S]
My guess is that it still controls bell rate. The default was “128” for the Select decoders. You could always try reading CV285, record the value, then change it to a lower number. Just make sure you change CV32 to a value of “1” first before making any changes to CV285. If that doesn’t adjust the rate, change it back to the default and email ESU.
Tom
Okay, I just read CV285 on my lone Loksound 5 decoder and the default was “128”. And I had to change CV32 to “1” in order to read it. Since it’s the same default as the Loksound Select decoders, it’s probably a safe bet that it does adjust the bell rate
I don’t have a speaker wired up yet to that decoder so I can’t verify that right now. Maybe Ed can with his set up.
Tom
I just opened the package and read the Quick Start Guide for the LokSound 5 and there is no mention of bell styles or rates. However, CV164 = Sound CV 10 is listed as Bell Select CV.
Therefore when browsing the sound files for the V5 I find these:
GE FDL-16:
GE U-Boats Bell Template Pack 1
Bells (SoundCV10):
CV164=0 GE M 6731022A Steel Bell 004
CV164=1 GE M 6731022A Steel Bell 005
CV164=2 GE M 6731022A Steel Bell 009
CV164=3 GE M 6731022A Steel Bell 021
Baldwin VO-1000:
Bells (SoundCV10):
CV164=0 Baldwin
CV48 in the Select is NOT the “bell rate” CV, CV48 is the sound selection CV. It allowed a Select project to be loaded that had multiple prime movers, multiple horns, and multiple bells, and allowed the end user to switch between them without having to load a new sound project using a Lokproogrammer. A project may have had a fast bell and a slow bell, but it may also have had a air operated brass bell as one optioon and a modern electronic bell as another selection, so changing CV48 could change the bell, but what it really is doing is swapping in different sound clips for the bell function. Just like adjusting different bits of CV48 would change what horn played when you hit the horn button, or what prime mover sound was used.
–Randy
I recently bought a Rapido Trains CNR RS-18 equipped with a Loksound 5. Following the instructions available in the booklet which came with the locomotive, I was able to modify all the CVs I wanted to change except for the fast bell for which there is no CV mentioned.
Guy.
Maybe an email to Rapido will get you information on the exact sound project they used. Many of their ESU soundfiles are proprietary since they did lots of the recording at their expense.
Alternately, here is a possible sound project that contains the Alco/MLW 12-251C M420W (S0770)
Alco Bell Template Pack 2
Bells (SoundCV10):
CV164=0 ALCO Bronze Bell 001
CV164=1 ALCO Bronze Bell 002
CV164=2 ALCO Bronze Bell 008
CV164=3 ALCO Bronze Bell 011
CV164=4 Transtronic E-Bell 001
CV164=5 MLW High Mount Bell(Default)
You should
Problem solved. Tom was right. I changed the value of CV 285 after setting CV 31 to 16 and CV 32 to 1. I tried a few different values. Value 70 gave me exactly what I wanted.
Interesting that ESU doesn’t give the information in the Loksound 5 manual.
Thank you everyone,
Guy.
I agree, that stinks!
From the SELECT instruction booklet:
ESU_Select by Edmund, on Flickr
Glad you got it sorted out.
Regards, Ed
You should tell ESU, maybe nobody has.
Glad my speculation was on the mark, Guy. I know about CV32. What does CV31 do?
Tom
CV 31 is another index CV, how he determined it had to be 16 and not 1; I have no idea.
The lokprogrammer does give you the option of modifying sound speed in the sound slot setting page. I suppose you could print out a before and after list of CV’s and see what changed.
I see CV32 listed as an index register in both the Loksound Select and the Loksound 5 manuals but not CV31. So, did CV31 really have any affect on the bell rate?
Tom
Tom you threw the gauntlet down. I downloaded the RS18 project from ESU. It may not be exactly the same as Rapido’s but bells is bells.[:D]
If CV 32 must equal 1, then the choices of CV 31 are 1 and 16
Before I changed CV 285
I changed sound speed from 100% which shows 128 in the window, to 50%, which shows 64 in the window.
Henry,
What would happen if you just changed CV32 to “1” and didn’t change CV31 then changed CV285 to something less than “128”. Would the bell rate decrease? Or is CV31 found in locomotive-specific Loksound decoder literature?
Tom
Are you guys reading the same Loksoung v5 manual I just downlaoded? Page 68, section 12.2.1 talks about the index CVs, CV31 and CV32. Last line of that section says “At this state, CV31 must always have value 16. CV32 may have the values 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4”
Less than precise translation from German, I think, “At this state” I think may be better translated to the US English idiom “At this stage” meaning with the current firmware revision. I’m too lazy to try and find the same passage in the German language version and see if I can translate it myself right now.
Of course 2 pages past that, with the table for the conditionals and function mappings, the left half shows CV32 set to 3, 4 or 5 to configure the conditionals, and it lists CV32 at 8, 9, or 10 to configuring the mappings. ANd on the next page, continuing the mapping table, it has CV32 at 5, 6, or 7 for the conditional blocks and 10, 11, or 12 for the mapping block.
Page 79, the function effects page, shows setting CV31 to 16 and CV 32 to 0. Page 91 for the random functions shows setting CV31 to 16 and CV32 to 13.
So both are definitely used to index the CVs.
–Randy
Thanks, Randy. I scanned through the Loksound 5 manual and completely overlooked that portion. Interesting how different the sequence is now to change the bell rate on the Lok 5 as compared to the Select…
Tom
I first try with CV 32 = 1 only and nothing happened. Reading the Rapido Trains manual again I found that before changing any sound CV, you should change CV 31 =16 and CV 32 = 1.