HY GUY [:)]
HAS SOMEBODY EVER FOUND A WAY TO MAKE THE SMOKE TO THE LIONEL 2046 AND 8632 ENGINE LOOK BLACK LIKE COAL SMOKE . YHE SMOKE WORK WELL PUFFING WHITE SMOKE USING LIONEL SMOKE LIQUID MODEL A
you mean like this
The “smoke” from your train set is vaporized oil. It has nothing to do with combustion, it is more like fog than anything else.
The effect in the previous post is caused by a lighting effect, it is an illusion. In most cases a real steam engine operating in proper fashion will produce very little “smoke”. The exhaust up the stack should be mostly steam and either white or invisible. Black smoke is an indication of an inefficient burn or use of an inferior fuel supply…
No its not. I’ve been to Tom’s basement several times over the last two years watching the trains run and that is what that darn thing looks like. Some of his engines put out enormous amounts of smoke. Sometimes the basement looks like LA on a smoggy day. [^]
The Doctor Is In !!! For the enlightenment of all: When you see a Steam Locomotive smoke Black, It’s because the Engineer is blowing the exhaust tubes. It’s to keep things working properly. I was a U.S. Navy boiler tech back in the day(late70’s) And we had to clear the flues on our boilers to maintain proper fuel consumption. You see it on steam train fan runs for the photographers trackside. As to the diesel loco’s, diesel is smokey, and dark. Someday we may see a model diesel blow black smoke, who knows! Till My Next Missive I Remain The Humble But Strangly Evil Doctor(ex-steaming demon) [}:)]
Okay then, what is his secret?
Most of the time, Bayberry or Chirstmas Pine ! !
Have to keep the Misses happy !
The amount of smoke is real. The “color” is not.
I’ll let Tom tell you because I don’t know his secret. Almost all of his engines are MTH and if you think the one in the photo is smoking you should see his the Generals. The smoke just boils out of the stack. The smoke doesn’t start out dark but a few laps around the layout can set off the smoke alarms. In fact the one in the photo is not smoking very much.
I took video of Tom’s trains over a year and one half ago. The video shows the dark grey smoke pouring out of several of his engines. I sent the small avi files to Tom and I think he at one time had a link to them so people on the forum could see them.
I know it is not an illusion. They smoke in heavy quantities and the stuff turns darker as he cranks it up around the layout. Cough, cough![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Just remembered a photo I had from one of my visits.
Now ya know.
Anything that looked black would have to have particulate matter in it, and would be even worse for your heart and lungs than the vaporized mineral oil we are currently using. It would probably be banned from sale, much less use in a public place as a serious health hazard. Sorry.
Yeah TOM, we haven’t gotten all oiled up in a long time !![(-D][(-D][(-D]
What “color” are clouds? What color is fog. Unsaturated steam is completely clear. As the water molecules condense into larger droplets they start to refract and diffuse light. If a cloud or fog is dense enough it starts trapping light instead of diffusing it. It will go from bright white to light grey to dark grey to almost black. The vaporized mineral oil used in toy train smoke behaves the same way. It usually condenses back into liquid oil before it can reach a density to block enough light to appear realy dark.
John, You’re right. I haven’t been to an oiling party at Tom’s for quit sometime. The last time Keith and I really got into the oil and the Miller High Life. Talk about fog!!!
Tom, I never heard how everything worked after Keith and I took advice from a poster on the forum and convinced you that the Z and all of your other electronics needed oiled. [:D]
100 percent correct. Let me add that dense-enough (heavy) clouds will only appear dark if back-lit. The light source in the photo is from the front, near the camera lens. Anyone who has flown through cumulonimbus thunderstorm clouds can attest that inside the cloud, all appears white nearest the sun and darker away from it. Thunderstorm clouds also appear bright white from top to bottom when moving away from the sun, toward the horizon. Plus, being a master with industrial-strength Photoshop and a professional photographer, I can fill a whole layout room with black smoke – right on my computer screen. Or yellow smoke, or mauve or or taupe or fuschia.
So stop trying to pull our legs on this, guys. The game is up. Consider yerselves exposed. We’re all way too sophisticated to be fooled by this little scam.
Plus, if someone really did come up with a toy train smoke fluid that truly came out black under all lighting conditions, they’d be marketing the product and be millionaires and they’d own their own 1:1 railroad. LOL [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D]
Chemists & hobbiest have been trying to come up with a black smoke for years without success. Anything that would smoke black is toxic or irritating.
[the Miller High Life. Talk about fog!!!
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Now we know where the smoke comes from! Tom’s using Miller High Life in his stacks!!![:o)] Actually, it would be neat to have a steamer start out with heavy black smoke and then ease into the running white puffs. Of course, the Lionel smoke fluid already causes my wife to wheeze and she would love for me to make more smoke.
Dennis
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[:D] Give that man a cigar! We have a winner!!!
FYI, over a year ago, there was this guy posting on another forum who advocated oiling the Lionel CAB-1 , and yes we mean taking the oil and spraying it inside the remote. The photos were taken in Tom’s basement as a little satire on the subject. [:D][:D]
This always comes up about twice a year about black smoke. Lighting is the trick with an engine that can produce lots of smoke. No dought about it, Nothing smokes like MTH
tom
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Gosh! Spraying oil into the CAB-1 remote!
What a moron! Everyone knows you’re supposed to DIP IT in a can of oil! [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D]
Buckeye, It was his DCS remote, not his Cab1. He had problems with the tumb wheel. But really he had many more problems ! ! ! ! !