I’m pretty sure this is not true.
Warbonnet, when refering to the Santa Fe, in the absence of any other distinction refers to the Red and Silver.
as for when Santa Fe started using Passenger units for freight… Again, the point is that it wasn’t a freight scheme.
I fully acknowledge that it happened.
From Stan Repp’s The Super Chief . . . Train of the Stars page 83, "Dipping a no. 7 brush into puddle of his butcher-pan palette, Knickerbocker rendered the nose of that automobile-like shape, actually the hood of Super-2’s own Diesel. The crimson hood had replaced the air-scoop cowls or “eyebrows” of 1 and 1-A and a narrow band of the red color ran the length of both units at floor height suggesting, as Knickerbocker said, “the profile of an Indian head and the trailing feathers of a war bonnet.”
Judges we await your decision, was EMC stylist Leland Knickerbocker speaking of design or color or both.
Hey, SSW9389, don’t be such a nit-picker!
Certainly, the original, classical design was both color and profile. Santa Fe management recognised how popular the design had become and obviously decided to carry over the warbonnet theme into their freight blue-and-yellow color scheme! Just look at the photo on the link at the start of this thread! Do you really think that the yellow curve is just arbitrary? It is so obviously Santa Fe Warbonnet, even if a different color scheme!
Oh, it clearly is a Warbonnet design. The point I was making is that when FANS say “Warbonnet” they mean the red and silver. Bluebonnet is blue and silver, yellowbonnet yellow and silver. I’ve never actually heard a consistant name for the yellow and blue bonnet. I mean, I’ve heard a couple, but nothing consistant.
everyone is titeled to thier opinion and certainly it was not my intention to cause anybody to be upset at my posting,i am not as yahoo1975 wrote about me quoting my posted remarks as trying to rile people up but i am bieng honest,no need to get upset.
Myself, I wonder what a vise-versa of the orange and black would look like. Domonate black with BNSF and handrails in orange. [%-)] lol, just tried to picture it in my mind.
It would look like the IHB, see their SD20’s, GP38-2’s (3801-3802) and older pictures of the SW1500’s before they were rebuilt.
Are you sure on that statement?
you’ll notice that a is not the original…the right hand door (of the two covered by the a) is swiped from another yellowbonnet loco…they figured it’s a close enough fit to pass…
http://www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=83158
What’s wrong with the Scheme of the locomotive? Do you rather have the Warbonet style?
I heard the BNSF is going to use on the next set of locomotives blue and yellow scheme. Can anyone confirm?
In the 1990’s (maybe late 1980’s) ATSF began getting new diesels in the red and silver ‘warbonnet’ scheme, so they did indeed have some freight engines in warbonnet paint. In fact I believe the last engines delivered to Santa Fe pre-merger, their SD-75’s, had the warbonnet on it:
Stix: It was in 1990 that Santa Fe’s Mike Haverty had the eight FP45s painted up in what was called the Super Fleet colors. New road units from EMD and GE were delivered in the Warbonnet Super Fleet colors starting in 1990 with the GP60Ms and the B40-8Ws. Other units to wear the new colors were the GP60Bs, C40-8Ws, C44-9Ws, and the SD75Ms.
Diesel data from The Santa Fe Diesel Volume Two: 1960-1995 by Dr. Cinthia Priest.
Ed
Personally, I like a nice yellowbonnet.
Actually, that was the result of a hood door from another locomotive being used to replace the damaged original door. Here’s a few more examples of that.
borrowed from atsf.railfan.net
I remember seeing an A-B-A set of warbonnet F units on a freight train somewhere in the L.A. area in the early 1960s.
I first saw Santa Fe’s blue and yellow freight warbonnet scheme in 1972. I guess Santa Fe wanted to keep the lines of the warbonnet alive after Amtrak.