I would like to thank all of those for their positive, and informal input. I notice on this Forum that some Forum members can ask questions, and get TONS of advice. While others ask questions, and get "GOOGLE IT ", or Research it. Sometimes you get SMART ***** [xx(][xx(] remarks about being LAZY which is untrue, and FLAT OUT MEAN PEOPLE.
This makes me very cautious about asking any questions on this Forum.One of the reasons for the question was because i would rather assemble my Freight cars, and Loco’s then have them assemble for me. I believe this way would be better because you could fit your Freight, and Loco’c the way u want them.
I DONT EVER MIND READING, RESEARCH, OR GOOGLE, AND NO NOT LAZY!!!
Mr. Rich you are a GOOD MAN, and solid MOTIVATOR, Mr. Zstripe TOUGH, but OK[^o)][^o)] Mr. Blackie you are a MEAN 1[:(!][:(!].
I will be very weary about posting other questions, or ETC on this Forum isn’t this supposed to be an INFORMATIONAL WEBSITE???[:)][:)].
My compliments,To You!! Now that is what I would call,interaction,sometimes in Life you have to be tough,Good and Kind,all at once…Though it’s hard to show all of that with a typed message…
One think though,you will have to admit,This by far is the longest message you posted,That is meant to be a funny,Take care!![bow]
I hope that you will not let the responses to your post keep you from participating in this forum. You ask genuine questions and they should merit genuine answers. I am sure that you will find assembling Bowser car kits to be an enjoyable learning experience. Give them a try. Just remember that this hobby is about enjoyment and not about dictation from experts.
I am hopeful that Calvin will not abandon the forums over this event. All of the parties involved here are good people with a lot to offer. Let’s put these Bowser threads aside and move on. The good news is that Calvin got the answer he was looking for early on in that prior thread.
We’ll, mr op, have you ever heard the saying “give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life”? You may not like it, but if someone tell you to GOOGLE IT, then he is teaching you how to fish, nothing more. Again, this is a reflection of our “I’m entitled” society. The op feels that it is his god given rite to demand the information that we have dug up… LEARN TO FiSH MAN!!! We are just telling you where to throw your line in! What is the issue here? David B
If the op said “hey guys, I’ve searched and I just can’t figure out what the differences are between these Bowser products”, then telling him the answer would make sense. In this case, the op decided that he is entitled to the information without any effort whatsoever…the correct response should be “at least make an effort to find out the info for yourself”. David B
How do you know that the OP is feeling “entitled” and didn’t even try to figure it out?
I think that you are jumping to conclusions.
My sense is that he saw the listings on a site other than Bowser for certain locos and rolling stock and did not lnow what the terms meant like EXEC, TRAD, HDL, DHL. So, he comes on the forum and asks for help.
Look at it another way. If Google was the answer to everything, you wouldn’t even need the forum.
I will tell you this. When you Google stuff, a lot of sites that pop up are ask.com, answer.com, about.com. The “answers” on those sites are worse than useless. It is a bunch of morons throwing out guesses.
If I were the Forum Administrator, I would amend the policy section to ban the reply, “Go Google it”.
It all depends on how you define these forums. All too often it becomes a one-way idea suck fest with nary a thank you. I’ve answered a multitude of questions over the years, but I am a straight shooter. If I feel the op is an idea sucker, I will offer the Google answer. An op with a good attitude will usually result in a bit more of my time with a complete answer. David B
I don’t want to join a grouch fest. Folks still wet behind the ear need a hand up, too.[zzz][Z][}]
I would make a request, though, C. Jr. Please chill with the all-caps Subject lines. That usually means you’re shouting in internetiquette. Which is OK every once in awhile, but if it’s every post? well…[sigh]
You probably don’t want to come off sounding like Chicken Little if you want to persuade people to help you out. That makes it a lot harder than it needs to be.
Skills vary greatly on searches and there are many search engines and just the way you word something can give you two opposite experiences. It used to be the first word carried more weight than the second etc. not anymore, now we have keywords and they are different from engine to engine plus you get weighted positing of words. I could go on and on. It has gotten so complicated that large corperations hire outsiders to search for them sometimes (I know someone who works for such a firm).
David,I agree and as you know I have answer questions as long as I been on the forum and I’m also blunt at times–if there’s a need.
Google can become one’s BFF once one learns the ropes.
Not wanting to be mean or to make anybody mad but, here’s what I found with a simple Google search to Bower’s home page.
Bowser explains everything on their web site. Click on any locomotive and presto instant information. The difference in the exec cars and trad cars is RTR and kit. Took me a few minutes to figure that one out.
You fellows ever hear of librarians? They do this all day long as part of their job. Even get paid for it.
Now, all of us here, we’re volunteers. You’re under no obligation to help anyone, whether or not you actually can[8-|]
And it’s true these forums are a big fat target for new folks, hoping to shortcut their way to answers. Nothing wrong with that. That is part of what it’s here for.
Now, I can understand the feeling, “Gee, isn’t that the 100th time this month someone’s asked a variation of that question?” That’s true, in many cases as we all know…[2c][#oops]
But it does seem a little more than necessary to always be popping up to suggest someone Google something if they want the answer. Maybe they already tried. Maybe this is the first time they ever logged on a model rail site, heard you could get some good help there, then this…
They say silence is golden and sometimes it is. The “Google it” answer gets pretty old and, if you think about it, becomes even more degraded as a general retort than an at least semi-specific if rather naive question that can be answered with a quick search in a new browser tab in the blink of an eye. Give 'em a link is my philosophy, even if it is a situation where a suggestion to search is clearly called for – because sometimes that exactly what I do. If that’s too much trouble to do, then why bother with writing a reply to say you won’t?[:-^]
Post count or just orneryness? I can understand orneryness[B)][xx(][#oops], but geez chill with it if it’s just post count[;)]
I’m absolutely amazed at how distorted this thread has gotten. The OP asked some legitimate questions, and we are all free to answer them or not.
As far as not taking the time/effort to “google” to get the answer ones self, well I would wager my RR that everyone on this Forum is “guilty” of that that - some wayyyyy more than others.
When I have an MR question, I want to pose it to real people - folks I can interact with and get their opinions as well as facts.
And frankly, when you really think about it, pretty much every question asked here could likely be answered by the results of a search engine. Of course, that would make this Forum unnecessary!
