Sure, and the same between Calgary and Edmonton( this rumor was started in (1935) estimates today to construct this line are between $ 790 million and a more realistic $925 billion(cdn) with construction starting in 2205.
The quote used as the topic of this thread is the headline of a magazine article. The article itself does not say “building” it uses the phrase “begun implementation”.
In short, there is no dirt being moved anywhere. At best, trees are being cut to provide paper on which studies will be printed.
joe-daddy:
If you think getting aircraft built is indicates French where with all forget it. I have flown Airbus products and nicknome like disposable airplanes, when they break they break very hard and for a long time, Had one that the same problem happened every day even though airbus rep said it was fixed. Fiffie (french dog) and now the A-380 is in service they are 2 1/2 years late on deliverys. Give me a boeing any day although the B-787 has some the same problems meeting delivery as the ?A=380.
I’d be very wary about drawing comparisons with the French. They may have the fastest trains on their high speed lines but the rest of their network is very poor - typicallty only two trains a day. As for planes, the A380 may be assembled in France but the wings and engines are made in Britain! How long the French will be able to carry on subsisiding their railways, and for that matter other public services, remains to be seen given the parlous state of the French economy. I think the Spanish railways will shortly eclipse the French. Now there’s a country that gets on and does things.
Once again we have another topic that is just plain wrong. Election year pandering to the common man for his vote and nothing based in reality. Wishful thinking will not see this built and the article say’s very plainly that the electorate will vote on the proposal to fund a bond effort to study it not build it. I wish there was a way to collect money from people who think because a state or federal official or agency proposes something in an election year it will happen. We are still waiting for the third airport in Chicago thirty years after it was proposed. By the time that gets built airplanes will have been replaced with something else and this will follow the airport. I don’t want to be on atrain that goes 220 mph that parallels the San Andreaas fault and there is no way they will solve that problem.
Comment. Hi speed rail has been talked bout in Calif for many years.
I remember in 1990 during forum in Sacramento some of the discussion.
One comment I remember was Mr Vranich (?) talking about TGV. The comment I remember the most was the fact that France does not have Enviromental Impact Reports(that can be attacked in court).
I think Calif has gotten past much of the complaints. KQED had on there forum(radio) show a discussion a couple of weeks ago. I was impressed that Calif has finally tried to get this to the voters. Quinton(?) Kopp (former SF Supervisor, Ca State Senator, and currently a Superior Court Judge in San Mateo County) is one of the better spokes persons on this.
Forgive me for my inaccuracies on this as I’d not paid it much attention in the last 15 years. and was very surprised just how far along this has gotten.
Thx IGN
Unless CA can get the federal government to supply most of the money, which could be a possibility given the size of CA’s delegation, no way the state can aford it. And I’m glad to see that someone finally mentioned that the French (and many other counties people hold up as examples) don’t have to worry about the environmentalists like we do in the USA. I’ve wonder if they could have even built a transcontinental railroad across the USA if they had to work with the same environmental restrictions as the country has now (and I’ll be shocked if there aren’t even more starting in 2009).
Oops. Make that countries, not counties. Just a slight difference.
These arguments always remind me of that book I read as a child:
“The Little Engine that Couldn’t”
“I think I can’t, I think I can’t”
A quick look at the stock prices of railroads vs airlines and one can see what Wall street believes is ultimately viable. As fuel prices continue to climb, and they surely will, projects like this one are a part of what must change in America for survival. Impossible you say, look at the money going into lite rail almost everywhere.
And build a nuclear plant to power it while they are at it! Zero fossil and no CO2. A green solution if there ever was one. . .
Coffee at Dennys if earth is not turning in 2 years.
Just my highly opined 2 cents here [8D]
Joe Daddy