The CARB is asking the EPA to adopt Tier 5 emissions standards…
The most polluted air comes from CARB headquarters.
So wouldn’t that mean that dealing with yards would be the priority, not mandating that every road locomotive meet new ‘standards’?
Says who??? Tier IV, anyone? I guess electrics don’t burn diesel…
So basically the mandating of electrification and locomotives twice as expensive. Of course, not on California’s dime, who can’t even pay to electrify Caltrain. Of course, we can’t mandate zero emissions to the truckers, can we?
Please don’t tell me they spent a bunch of money figuring this out…
And they’re trying to remove the rebuild loophole so railroads won’t be able to cost effectively rebuild locomotives like they have for the last 80 years…
The perfect is once again the enemy of the good-especially for those that are firmly detached from reality…
Hang wire…move the power plants to Nevada. See zero emissions!
Now wasn’t that easy.
Um its called electrofication and catanary
Watch the EPA and the FRA/STB square off, especially in the current political environment where EPA backlash is heating up.
You gotta love the IDIOTS and yes they are freaking ones at CARB. We in the OTR industry call them the you Can’t Absoultly fReaking Believe how we are going to Screw you next Board. This is the State board that thinks sleeping in a 140 degree box is possible in the summer and also that demands DPF on reefer units when there isn’t a Federal requirement for one at all. They also are trying to declare any and all diesel engines built before 1980 as get this NON exsistant. That means Napa Valley Wine Train will no longer have their LNG fired FPA-4’s as CARB will say they are to old to exsist.
Yeah the head of CARB claims to have a PHD but no one can even find out here she got her Bachalors let alone a masters. They demand standards in excess of Federal Regulations and no one dares tell them no. Well hopefully they start getting told no soon or CA is going to find themselves in one heck of a problem really fast. Why even the Mega Carriers are tired of their BS and about to tell CA shove it meaning no one to haul freight into and out of there let alone make local deliveries. CA is about to run head on into a steel wall called push back from industry they can either soften the blow or get ready for one hell of a head injury. The OTR industry is up in arms about the 42 cent fuel tax hike we just got slammed with in CA not one penny is going for the roads all of it goes to the Pensions in CA.
Here in Niagara Falls we had a whole yard called Niagara Junctiion that was eletrofied untill 1979-
Expect more distribution warehouses/facilities to be built in Arizona and Nevada to supply California…it’s only a 5 hr drive from Phx to LA, less from Vegas to LA
One small problem with your thinking. Just how in the heck are you going to get all the produce out of CA that they do grow. Salinas CA is not called the Salad Bowel of the USA for nothing. Oxnard CA grows 80% of all the strawberries in the USA. Bakersfield is where grapes and carrots are king. CA has the reverse issue you haul into there cheap if your a reefer knowing your going to make bank coming out. Why if your a CA compliant O/O willing to do multiple PU’s for a broker they will pay out the nose for your useage. Just on a whim I posted I needed 3 reefer loads out of CA back to the midwest was willing to do multiple PU’s I was offered what would pay the truck 4 to 5 bucks a mile to haul back from CA on all the miles from one of our customers out there. My boss is considering putting up with CA just to get his hands on that kind of revenue. 10 grand a load from a team truck for 1 load back would look nice on the old balance sheet. Now to just get the trailers we need.
https://law.ucla.edu/faculty/faculty-profiles/mary-d-nichols/
Regards, Volker (Germany)
The heavy smog problems in Los Angeles led to California being at the forefront of the environmental development. Without CARB and it predecessors there might still be heavy smog in L.A.
In Germany as in the USA manufacturers are very reluctant regarding environmental measures.
When I moved from Hamburg to Essen in 1973 there was still coal mining in the Ruhr Area. At the end of the day with open windows there was enough coal dust in the bath tub for some heating. Government regulations led to cleaner exhaust fumes from power plant, steel mills, and other factories. But to the end to the 1980s you knew you arrived in the Ruhr Area when you realized the yellow sky. Every improvement was forced by government regulations nothing voluntary.
Today the air seems to be cleaner here but NOx are unhealthy high in many cities.
So in my opinion there needs to be an organisation which pushes the envelope in environmental questions. Reducing NOx isn’t just a cost problem, NOx still are a health danger. Here in Germany approximately 10,000 untimely deaths per year are caused by too high NOx levels.
If CARB’s newest request is reasonable I don’t dare to answer. But as technology advances there will be ways to further reduce harmful exhausts.
Regards, Volker (Germany)
ALL of the class 1 railroads have stated that they will NOT purchase engines that use urea. so that idea is DBA *Dead Before Arrial). Yes pur warehosues in Nevada, Arizona and Oregon. Both BNSF and UP run through all of those states and tell CARB “OK who is going to move the containers to the rest of the country from LA and Oakland, we are not”.
the folks who work for CARB must sit at there desks and smoke that funny weed. No wonder California air is so polluted.
She about 8 years ago claimed to have a PHD in Enviromental Sciences also. However when people started demanded to see her degree in it she screamed you do not have the Authority to question my credintials. A Law Degree is a long way from a PHD. My Lawyer is a Jd Megyn Kelly is a JD any Lawyer has a JD it is a requirement to pass Law School. A PHD is something else entirely and also harder to get.
If she claimed that 8 years ago, you’d imagine a google search would reveal it. Yet I find nothing. California wants electrified yards. And they know they have the economic power to force the issue. They’ll probably get it.
That decision only can be held up as long as the diesel engine manufacturers are able to reach lower new limits for NOx, CO2, and particulate matter without urea. Set the limits low enough and the Class 1 railroads will have to reconcider their decision or stop buying locomotives.
Regards, Volker (Germany)
And, as a resident of Nevada, send a HUMONGOUS bill to Cali for polluting OUR air!!! Either that or use some of the wire to string up the Calidiots responsible.
Chuck (Clark County, NEVADA, resident)
P.S. Can’t send the power plants to Mexico. Donald wouldn’t like that.
I work for a midsized OTR fleet I can tell you 3 things about running urea systems over here in the states compared to over in Europe your not going to like. 1st is our operational conditions are NOTHING like what you have in the EU where length of haul is around 600 miles with moderate conditions year round for the most part. Over here we deal with Deserts at over 100 degrees -40 in the winter where even with the heating system the crap freezes length of hauls can be over 2000 miles each freaking way and cover altitudes from sea level to over 13K feet over the Rocky Mountains. Second unlike Europe 100% of all goods at some point end up taking a trip by truck to their final destination. 3rd our current standard is more extreme than your Current one in the terms of NOX CO2 and PM allowed and we do not want it tightened more. We already lost 30% of our fuel economy due to EPA Mandates with emission controls in Cut throat market. Lastly here in the USA we have a strong Constitution that can reign in over zealous states like these that want to interfere with Interstate commerce. This case might be heading to Federal court with CARB as a defendent for violation of the commerce clause.&
King Donald I’st would love shipping major pollution sources over the border, however, I doubt he would want to pay for the power to come back to the USA; even if in his mind there are no pollution sources or Climate Change that exist in the USA. Now how can he state his policy + a insult in 140 characters.
WELP! Time to Build a ton of More GEVOs and SD70ACes and sell them to BNSF and UP.
Also me when I heard of that.
