Could I obtain more input on my layout plan, please?

Last week I posted my HO layout design on the forum along with my objectives, history and an explanation of each part. While several people looked at the post, I’m afraid the length may have discouraged folks from reading through it and giving me much feedback.

Please take a few minutes to look at my layout design and see if you can spot any glaring errors or potential problems.

The detailed explanation of the railroad and layout can be found by clicking on Cedar Branch & Western, Episode II.

I did use a track template and tried to give enough space for an error of margin around each curve. While I’m pretty set on this design, I am open to suggestions and thoughts. I have the highest respect for the combined knowledge of the members of this forum and would appreciate an honest assessment.

Thanks!

looks fine to me

I would worry a bit about reaching over a five foot table for scenery and operation.

GAPPLEG, that’s a good observation. I have access to the layout from every side and I also have my benchwork low at 3 ft, 6 inches.

Speaking of access, one of the things I wanted in the design was to be able to walk with my hand held remote control throttle and be with the train all the way from start to finish.

(Disregards the following two paragraphs, my tired old eyes finally made out the 6 inch grid system you are using in the drawing, I thought it was a foot)

I’m seeing 18 radius curves in a lot of places, which will limit your ability to run passenger equipment, 6 axle diesel and big steam. That’s not condemnation, I have 18 and 22" radius curves on the mainline, 15" radius in the yard system, and down to 14" radius curves on one staging spur. I run mostly old time steam though. I get a little bit of valve gear noise on the 18 inch mainline curves from a Spectrum 4-6-0, but they run through them cleanly.

My kids run diesels, and have no problems with 4 axle motive power, but you can noticably see a GP-38 slow on the 15 inch radius spur system. We have one modern passenger train, with 72 foot lighted Lifelike coaches, and it traverses the mainline very well, those cars stay on the track as good as, or better than any other rolling stock I own, including some high quality Roundhouse shorties, and some others that I have put many hours into tuning, via weight, coupler upgrades, and truck upgrades. Not bad for underweight passenger cars with Talgo trucks and X2F couplers on tight curves and steep grades. I think I’ve had exactly one derailment with those cars, when I finger pushed a line of them through a turnout lined against the direction of travel.

Others here have recommended at least 2x the longest rolling stock you own of straightaway between elements of an S curve, but I do not have problems there on my layout, the 18 inch lefthanders transition immediately into right handers on the reversing loops and I don’t recall a derailment there, ever.

Where I do have problems is at all Atlas Snaptrack number four turnouts, (the frog is too deep and too long, lifting the opposite ends of the axles (diagonal across the trucks) off the rail, which allows the truck to pivit and the trailing axle to follow the wrong line exiting the turnout), Peco small radius curved turno

Hi, jeffers_mz, thanks for all your thoughts! I agree that my 18 radius curves will limit some equipment, but I’m not going to be running any long equipment. I’m trying to stay with cars less than 60 feet to fit in the 1970’s shortline theme.

Thanks for mentioning the “S” problem. That’s one thing I didn’t think to look for on my review.

The continuous run can be accomplished by sneaking through the visible Mopac interchange yard and looping to the other side of the table where the Mopac main ducks into the left side of hidden staging. (The blue line which disappears) This will allow me to run an occasional diverted Mopac freight while staying true to the short line point to point operation.

I appreciate your input! Thanks for taking time to look it over and post the info.

looks good to me, but it doesn’t look like you have much of a yard

I look at your layout and I want to know what is it’s purpose. Why are you building it? What do you see yourself doing when you are running it?

looks good but you need to put in more sidings and a yard i would also raise the benchwork a little. Although my layout is not high its only on sawhorses so i do not have a choice. Tim

mine is only 28" high, but i have an old kitchen chair so i can sit and run trains

Spacemouse, what a question! [:D] I want to model a shortline from end to end and be able to walk around with the train through the entire route. I want the train to have a purpose (operations) and a destination. Did you get a chance to read the history and thoughts behind the towns and industries? I want it to mimic a real shortline traveling through the Ozark Mountains as much as possible. Shortlines rule!!! [^][yeah]

Uhm, grinning my fool head off? [:D]

In answer to the yard question…well, I don’t know how to say this…[:I] I had a big yard on a previous layout and it was the most boring part of running the railroad. I like the slow way freight which switches small towns and business along the way and ends up at the end of the line, to return the opposite direction tomorrow. [C):-)] I did put the staging yard underneath where the 0-5-0 can operate.

The height is where I can reach the center after the scenery is added. I’m only 5-7. My current layout ended up too high for me to reach comfortably to the back without destroying things on the front. [:(!]

Thank you all for the questions, concerns and thoughts. This is what I’m needing! It is good to hear that other people have some of the same concerns I had in the design. It also helps to have to test my thoroughness by explaining parts of the layout and the thoughts behind it. Keep 'em coming!