We at Classic Toy Trains are launching something new and fun. We’re asking you to create the perfect Lionel set from the postwar era. You’ll soon be reading all about this and my personal creation on Trains.com
But let’s hear what you have to say. Here are a few guidelines:
1.Your set must be different from any that Lionel listed or showed in an advance or consumer catalog between 1945 and 1969.
2.It must have a locomotive and exactly five more components. They can be freight cars or passenger cars; you may replace one piece of rolling stock with an accessory.
3.Whatever you choose for the set cannot have been introduced after the year your locomotive appeared. Also, the components must have appeared in the cataloged line no earlier than two years before the locomotive. So an engine from 1954 cannot have components introduced after that year or last cataloged in 1951 or before.
Feel free to post your idea of the perfect Lionel postwar set here or send to me via email at rcarp@classictoytrains.com
Have fun, be imaginative, and show us what Lionel should have done!
I don’t know how I could check the dates, so I will have to rely on what I remember from the late 50s catalogs. I would have a New Haven rectifier electric, a B&M blue boxcar, a BAR red white and blue boxcar, a NYC jade green boxcar, a Gulf Oil tank car, and a NH caboose if there was such a thing, or a generic Lionel Lines caboose if not.
In fact I’ve got several ideas which I’ll feed in with several installments.
First off, I’ll calling this the “Lionel Back-Yard Series,” as in once-famous and now gone railroads which operated in the general area of Lionel’s factory in Hillside NJ. Although of course those 'roads were very much alive in the Post-War era.
My idea is to make them as authentically close as possible but still affordable representations of the prototype 'roads using existing tooling and product lines of the time as the basis. So here comes Number One.
“The Lackawanna Limited.”
We start with the good old reliable 2055 Hudson as the locomotive.
Pretty much prototypical. The Lackawanna did operate four Hudson types and they were good ones too. On this Hudson however we drop the “Lionel Lines” marking from the tender and substitute “Lackawanna.” (Honestly, Lionel’s slapping “Lionel Lines” on just about everything has always annoyed me a bit.)
THEN we add five 2400 type passenger cars to the set painted in the following scheme:
We can leave off “Phoebe Snow,” that wasn’t the only train with cars painted like that and the cars can be named for Lackawanna station stops or just numbered, it doesn’t make any difference. And there’s a c
Many thanks to the two readers who have responded to my challenge to create the perfect Lionel postwar set. Both have shared terrific and fascinating possibilities. Let’s here from more of you and see what else Lionel might have done!
Thanks for the kind words Roger! They mean a lot coming from the “Lionel Maestro” himself!
As promised, here’s my second installment of the “Lionel’s Backyard” series.
The Erie Mainliner!
With this one we start out with a 736 Berkshire with Erie markings. The Erie was a pioneer and enthusiastic user of the Bershire type which turned the “Weary Erie” into a fast freight hauler.
The thing is a 736 can pull a LOT more cars than the five we’re limited to but hey, we’ve got to start somewhere! That’s what separate purchases were for!
Thanks for the kind words and your ongoing support of our magazine and the CTT Forum. Are you able to create the perfect set using the guidelines set forth above? Namely, only actual items Lionel did catalog during the postwar era and not items it could have developed. Many thanks!
I suppose I could put a set together from the products Lionel actually produced road names and all, sorry if I misunderstood.
However I’m not sure I see the point. Putting sets together with existing stock strikes me as reinventing the wheel. Why not go beyond that and use existing products of the time and tweaking them a bit, i.e. putting prototypically correct markings on locomotives and cabooses, instead of the ubiquitous “Lionel Lines?”
Anyway, I’ll try a bit harder. It’s going to take quite a bit of research on my part with the hope I don’t come up with something that was already done 70 years ago.
Y’all will have to check me if I have anything wrong on the timeline, but I’d pair the 2035 with the 6466W, red 6462 gon, X6454 Erie, 3472 milk car with 3462P, 6555 Sunoco, 3461 lumber and a Tuscan 6457 Lionel Lines bringing up the rear. Add a figure eight of O31 with 2 UCS remote control track sections, a standard UTC lockon and throw in a KW to create what I’d call a fine starter set. [:D]
I know, I’m over on the car count but maybe it’s an uncataloged set. [;)]
Good suggestion Becky! If you’re over the car count that’s OK with me, this is fantasy stuff after all. And as far as I know the cars you listed were around in one form or another.
I inhereted my older brothers Lionel set, including a chipped short black gondola, in the 1950s. The first thing I bought was a used NYC red long gondola. In the 1960s I sold my Lionel trains to help pay for an HOn3 brass 2-8-2. Soon I was into college and never got back into HOn3. I have since gotten back into O gauge, but mostly MTH and Atlas scale equipment. I have recreated some of what I was missing in my old set, and also bought a D&RGW GS gondola, but you reminded me I still have no NYC red gondola. I would have included it in my perfect set, but I didn’t remember it in catalogs, or know if it might have been to old to qualify.
For starters and for a bit of guidance I pulled out my David Doyle book “Postwar Lionel Trains 1945-1969” for some guidance. I turned to the “Cataloged Outfits” section for what the sets were like and…
SUFFERIN’ SUCCOTASH!!! [:O]
From 1945 to 1969 there were over 400 different sets produced of different configurations and contents. Yikes! It’d take me all year to research them all as to what they did and didn’t have.
(No wonder Lionel was in trouble by the 1960’s. Maybe they should have standardized on a few starter / deluxe sets and let it go at that? I mean really!)
Alright then. What I did was arbitrarily pick a mid-Fifties set for starters, the “Super Streamliner” from 1954 which consisted of a Santa Fe 2353 A-A diesel lash-up and four 2500 Series extruded aluminum cars. Then I decided to spin it a bit into…
“The Super STEAMliner Set,” consisting of the old reliable 2055 Hudson with a 2046W tender (1952-1955 production) and FIVE (Why be stingy?) 2500 (1952-1960 production) streamline cars. Now THAT would make a truly striking set! Silver cars pulled by an action-packed steam locomotive with smoke and whistle.
Maybe it could come with track and transformer plus a passenger station, maybe not. I’m more concerned with the train itself.
I think one of the impediments to response is that most people don’t have catalogs handy to see what was available to meet the criteria of the challange. Just yesterday I happened to find a 1959 lionel catalog form when I was a kid. I tried to find a website that displayed catalogs, but only found sites that sell old catalogs.
It looks like you kinda-sorta vindicated my original post. Not knowing what came before I went for the complete fantasy angle as in “What kind of product tooling was available and what can we do with it?” in addition to using actual 'road names and trying to appeal to the advanced hobbyist, which Lionel could never 100% decide to do.