CSX 4617

[csxengineer98]

Wake up and smell the coffee. If you are going to sale your car or house. Are you going to put money unto the place? NO! Right! [banghead] Conrail did what it need to be done in order to sale their railroad.

you are going to put little money into something your going to sell if it needs it…your not going to let the roof leak on your house if your tring to sell… your going to fix it so you can get the most out of it from a buyer that comes to look at it and possably make an offer…now putting in new light fixters would be an unessisary waste of money to put into a house that your trying to sell… your not going to have your car broke down if someone is comeing along to buy it… putting new tires on it or replaceing a blown out speaker is something you wouldnt do to try and sell it…but if it needs something to keep it running your going to fix it so that it is more appealing to a buyer that is looking for a car that is able to be drivin… but trying to compair the general overall state of conrail equipment the short time leading up to the split isnt even close to the 2 examples you tried to use to rashonilize the extream neglect of the conrail power… i can see not putting a new coat of paint on a locomotive becouse it would be a wasted expence… but haveing the doors and seats held together with ductape? and this was befor the conrail split… i have been on conrail power years befor there was even talk of the breakup and it was all run down… and what was new didnt stay new and in nice shape for long… i hired out on csx in 98… 1 year befor the split…the SD80macs came into service from 1995 to 1996…only 2-3 years befor i hired on the railroad… and they where beat to hell and back in just 3 short years… and that was some of the newest power to come onto the conrail porporty… as for the rest of the fleet… there was a yard near by where i lived… i got to go into the cab of a few engins over the years …and they werent in the best shape then…

[trainfan1221]

The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can’t account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.

[Awesome]

The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can’t account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.

That’s true!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS.

[csxengineer98]

The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can’t account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.

That’s true!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS.

please tell me what these problems that csx and ns have…this is the second time on this sight you have made mention of csx and ns haveing problems? i am dieing to hear them from you…do tell…

csx engineer

[Tjsingle]

The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can’t account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.

That’s true!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS.

please tell me what these problems that csx and ns have…this is the second time on this sight you have made mention of csx and ns haveing problems? i am dieing to hear them from you…do tell…

csx engineer

Since being a conrail fan, this may sound odd, what problems does NS and CSX have? I dont really know of many, there doing a pretty good job.

Tjsingle

[trainfan1221]

CSX and NS had a little trouble, as we all know, after the initial Conrail takeover. But they got over those it would seem.

[csxengineer98]

The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can’t account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.

That’s true!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS.

please tell me what these problems that csx and ns have…this is the second time on this sight you have made mention of csx and ns haveing problems? i am dieing to hear them from you…do tell…

csx engineer

Since being a conrail fan, this may sound odd, what problems does NS and CSX have? I dont really know of many, there doing a pretty good job.

Tjsingle

i was hopeing that awsome would have addressed this already…he is the one that seems to think that if conrail was still around then NS and CSX would be problem free…i would like to know what problems the 2 carriers are having now… being that i work for csx…and i see the upswings in freight…buying new power… putting in the money to repair and add new track…and yet still turn massive profits… what are the problems awsome? sounds to me like they are doing fine at the momen

[trainfan1221]

There are so few major railroads now that each one is big enough that when it gets taken over how could there not be problems? I just hope that the mergers are done for awhile, I like variety and there is less of it all the time. I know it’s a sign of modern times, but a little competition never hurt either.

[csxengineer98]

There are so few major railroads now that each one is big enough that when it gets taken over how could there not be problems? I just hope that the mergers are done for awhile, I like variety and there is less of it all the time. I know it’s a sign of modern times, but a little competition never hurt either.

railroads have all the competition they want in the way of trucking companys…

csx engineer

[n012944]

Conrail did what it need to be done in order to sale their railroad.

If Conrail was as great as you seem to think, Conrail would not have to do anything to “sale” the railroad.

[penncentral2002]

Conrail didn’t “sale” their railroad. NS and CSX basically lobbied the federal goverment to take over operations of the RR.

Conrail had already been privatized so it was indeed a sale. The Feds were involved for the usual antitrust reasons.

The feds only held onto Conrail long enough for it to get in the black - as soon as CR started turning a profit in the early 1980s, they sold it through an IPO (Conrail was a public company at the time of the sale listed on the New York Stock Exchange). The feds were involved in the merger also because the control of a railroad has to be approved by the Surface Transportation Board as well as the DOJ premerger notification bureau/antitrust bureau. The STB has jurisdiction over rail control/ownership and enforcing common carrier obligations and thus control over mergers. The STB is very big on competition between rail/preventing rail bottlenecks where previously competitive routes get served with one railroad - they imposed numerous conditions on the CR purchase including the creation of CR shared assets areas.

BTW, I’ve heard (from STB practicioners) that Conrail was outstanding in at least one area - they had the best lawyers at ICC and later STB practice of any of the railroads. In the business/law area Conrail was highly regarded as having some of the best minds in the rail industry.

[oltmannd]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL… Can you explain to me why the hate us?

no one said anything about hateing you per say… just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top… being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads… you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape…we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door… its nice to be loyal to something…but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear… the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles… blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a “butt gasket”…the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use… HTDs that the distance counters didnt work…even the newer power was in bad shape… the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner…the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap… from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk… that is why we “hate” conrail as you put it… or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get… becouse from my point of view…they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too…

csx engineer

The cab seats, radios and

[csxengineer98]

[quote user=“oltmannd”]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL… Can you explain to me why the hate us?

no one said anything about hateing you per say… just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top… being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads… you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape…we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door… its nice to be loyal to something…but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear… the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles… blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a “butt gasket”…the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use… HTDs that the distance counters didnt work…even the newer power was in bad shape… the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner…the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap… from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk… that is why we “hate” conrail as you put it… or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get… becouse from my point of view…they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too…

csx engineer

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[Awesome]

That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.

Kevin

amen to that… all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk… i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment… my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge… they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had… always had issues with them too… never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power…

csx engineer

Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats…[tdn]

[csxengineer98]

That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.

Kevin

amen to that… all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk… i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment… my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge… they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had… always had issues with them too… never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power…

csx engineer

Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats…[tdn]

exactly how do you know what i ran and didnt run… yes some where sd40s…some where gp 40s… as well as models from the rest of the fleet… all the way up to the 80macs…and they where all beat up junk…

csx engineer

[oskar]

Been hearing some bad news. I have overheard that CSX 4617 has been painted into YN3 paint. Anyone else heard the same news?

…it was just a matter of time.

Kevin

[trainfan1221]

I guess it was inevitable. Woulda liked to have seen it in person myself.

[Awesome]

That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.

Kevin

amen to that… all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk… i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment… my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge… they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had… always had issues with them too… never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power…

csx engineer

Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats…[tdn]

exactly how do you know what i ran and didnt run… yes some where sd40s…some where gp 40s… as well as models from the rest of the fleet… all the way up to the 80macs…and they where all beat up junk…

csx engineer

In the past forum you have told us the locomotives you rode.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

It has definitely been repainted. Looks sharp, too: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=254300&nseq=0

[csxengineer98]

That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.

Kevin

amen to that… all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk… i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment… my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge… they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had… always had issues with them too… never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power…

csx engineer

Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats…[tdn]

exactly how do you know what i ran and didnt run… yes some where sd40s…some where gp 40s… as well as models from the rest of the fleet… all the way up to the 80macs…and they where all beat up junk…

csx engineer

In the past forum you have told us the locomotives you rode.

yes i did…that part is true…but your previouse posting…you stated that the only junk units where and i quote "Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats…"that i ran… as i stated befor …i ran everything from yard pots up to 90macs…and a heck of alot of other power in between… this includes a very large sample of conrail power… and even if they wherent my leader…i have had a boat load in trail over the years and part of being an engineer is going through the consist to do the daily inspections of the locomotives in my charge and apon entering a conrail units cab… i was glade it wasnt my leader…i would take a FURX or a HLMX rent-a-wreck over anything in conrail blue as a leader… 99% of anything conrail was junk…even the newer power… im