a csx conductor was taken to a toledo hospital after a semi truck hit the train at a railroad crossing in toledo.he was riding on the rear car when the truck hit the train.go to nbc 24.com for more details.
stay safe
joe
man dont let the “csx sucks” folks hear about this…some how itll be the RR’s fault
hope the trainman is ok though
ouch. that really really sucks. i hope he’s ok [:(]
another classic case of impatient motorists at RR crossings. now they’re endangering employees because of it. more reason the RRs need more business. to get more trucks and the few idiotic truck drivers off the road.
We learned of this yesterday in disptr rules class…He Lost his whole shoulder and arm (according to the supt of ops)
IE Dsptr
but this is the conductors fault, he broke a rule and now he paid dearly for it. anytime you are shoving over a crossing you are to stop your movement and flag the crossing even if it has gates and lights .
How do you know he didn’t flag the crossing? For all we know he could have been hit after he got back on the car after it entered the crossing. BTW, if the crossing has gates, it does not have to be flagged, the person only has to be riding the point to warn people on, near or about to cross the track. Unless CSX special instructions say otherwise.
“CROR Rule 103(b) EXCEPTION: Manual protection of the crossing is not required provided the crossing is equipped with automatic warning devices and a crew member is on the leading car to warn persons standing on, or crossing, or about to cross the track.”
"GCOR: 6.32.1
When cars are shoved, kicked, or dropped over road crossings at grade, a crew member must be on the ground at the crossing to warn traffic until the crossing is occupied. Make any movement over the crossing only on the crew member’s signal.
Such warning is not required when:
- Crossing gates are in the fully lowered position.
- or
- It is clearly seen that no traffic is approaching or stopped at the crossing.
NORAC 138
e. Cars Not Headed by Engine at a Crossing without Automatic Highway Crossing Warning
If cars not headed by an engine are to be moved over a highway crossing at grade not equipped with automatic warning devices or a designated employee, a member of the crew must provide warning for highway traffic.
The only time you have to flag a crossing with gates, is when you pu
I heard it was bad but I didn’t hear how bad that accident was.
stay safe
joe
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How do you know he didn’t flag the crossing? For all we know he could have been hit after he got back on the car after it entered the crossing. BTW, if the crossing has gates, it does not have to be flagged, the person only has to be riding the point to warn people on, near or about to cross the track. Unless CSX special instructions say otherwise.
“CROR Rule 103(b) EXCEPTION: Manual protection of the crossing is not required provided the crossing is equipped with automatic warning devices and a crew member is on the leading car to warn persons standing on, or crossing, or about to cross the track.”
"GCOR: 6.32.1
When cars are shoved, kicked, or dropped over road crossings at grade, a crew member must be on the ground at the crossing to warn traffic until the crossing is occupied. Make any movement over the crossing only on the crew member’s signal.
Such warning is not required when:
- Crossing gates are in the fully lowered position.
- or
- It is clearly seen that no traffic is approaching or stopped at the crossing.
NORAC 138
e. Cars Not Headed by Engine at a Crossing without Automatic Highway Crossing Warning
If cars not headed by an engine are to be moved over a highway crossing at grade not equipped with automatic warning devices or a designated employee, a member of the crew must provide warning for highway traffic.
The only time you have to flag a crossing with gates, is when you pull over the crossi
You better pull out that rulebook and check again. Under the brand-spanking new norac, you do not have to provide protection if a crossing is equipped with automatic crossing devices. you just have to ensure they are activated before occupying. Maybe the southern boys have a different procedure in their books, but we don’t all operate under the same set of rules.
Railroads may make their own operating practice rules more restrictive than either Norac or GCOR allow.
They may not create operating practice rules less restrictive than Norac or GCOR.
So, if Norac or GCOR say you can shove over a crossing that has full functioning gates, bells and lights, but your railroad has its own rule that says stop, flag and proceed, (like mine) then the more restrictive rule applies.
Down on the PTRA, you get caught shoving over a crossing, regardless of what safety devices are present, without flagging it, your one fired crew.
Our rule has one exception…if the crew member riding the leading end of the movement can clearly see there is no pedestrian or automobile traffic approaching the crossing, they may stop, then proceed over the crossing with out dismounting and flagging…but you better be darn sure nothing is there.
If someone is not going to stop for lowered gates - then why would they stop for a crew member with a little red flag??? Seems counter productive to stop and flag a crossing with gates.
As always - use common sense and keep an eye out, guys. This job is not worth getting hurt over.
With the attitude you have, you must be a real pleasure to work with. Oh yeah, LOL
People, a person got injured doing his job; whether or not he did it correctly is not the question here. Give that man respect. Hope that he recovers from the injuries.
bet hes a yardmaster…lol…not to offend any YM’s here of course
ENR, that’s what most operating employees get out of that rule, but according to the carriers, ANYTIME you pull over an autmomatically protected crossing and then back up you have to manually protect it. It doesn’t matter how far you go or how long you wait. If you pull accross, you HAVE TO manually protect it.
A fellow conductor where I work just failed an efficiency test on that rule. He pulled accross about 5 car lenghts on the other side of the crossing to get a CTC light back into another track. He never protected it because he had ample warning from where he started to back up. CN says thats not good enough.
So if you pull over a crossing 6 miles, and back over it 24 hours later you better protect it. The CROR doesn’t give any time frame or distance. It just says when you pull over and then back up the crossing has to be protected.
If your initial movement is a shoving movement and you are approaching automatically protected crossings, then as stated above, you don’t have to manually protect.
What’s the difference? To a motorist, they are not going to see one. They will see a freight car with a person on it either way. I see no difference, but CN certainly does.
You’re absolutely right, and that was the point I was trying to make.
I’m sorry this guy got hurt, but Wabash is correct; this gentleman took a shortcut and nearly paid with his life. I’ve responded to far too many incidents like this.
CSX prohibits employees from riding either a car or the bottom step of a locomotive across public grade crossings. Prior to reaching the grade crossing, the employee must stop, dismount, and apply the appropriate flagging. He may only remount the car after the leading end of the movement fully occupies the crossing.
Just as a note, while CSX is a member of NORAC, it does not use the NORAC rule book.
Nick
zugman flagging dont mean to have a red flag your lantern or even you can do the job. stop traffic get your cars back to block the crossing and remount and get on your way. simple but if this guy did the rules right he would get hurt anyways is what your saying, sad to say he found out the hard way. then this guy or gal named ftg725… yea well its like this you tell someone something and they dont want to believe you such as yourself. well when you get hurt ill LOL. its like when growing up, when you was told dont touch that its hot, well you touched it its hot you learned. but still want to learn the hard way. to the other guy who says im a yard master. no im a engineer but I am not here to humor you. and all you arm chair railroaders remeber we dont need your sympathy, we take care of our own. Ed said it best in that some carriers do things more restrictive, common sense can keep you off the injury list. like i said before im not here to flame or fight anyone , and you all come to the defense of this man but only a few railroaders who are worth their wieght here backed me up. the railfans seemed offended, I have the back bone to back up what i said . you cant offend me, so prove me wrong with facts. otherwise quit crying . also dont worry about comming back at me by picking out my spelling flaws or grammer usage. its been tried before it didnt work.
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How do you know that he didn’t stop and flag?