Drop bottom gondolas

I’ve been in this hobby for almost 50 years now but recently I discovered a type of car I had never heard of before, that being a drop bottom gondola. I discovered this recently when I bought two gondolas on my LHS second hand shelf, one for the NYC and the other for the PRR. It was only after I got them home that I discovered they were drop bottom gondolas, a term I had never come across before. I had to do a Google search to learn how these cars were used and what I read was that these cars carried the same type of cargo as ordinary gondolas but allowed them to be unloaded by dumping the load rather than unloading them manually. If I understand the article I read, some of them dumped the loads outside the rails and others were designed to dump the load between the rails. It seems to me the latter would work the same as open top hopper cars. Would the latter have advantages over the hopper cars. I’m also guessing these cars could be used just like regular gondolas for loads that didn’t require dumping. Also, would these cars ever be unloaded by a rotary dumper?

I have been unable to find any documentation that indicates the NYC or the PRR ever used this type of gondola. If that is the case, I could still use these cars as ordinary gondolas. If they do represent actual NYC or PRR prototypes, I’m thinking they would be a good choice for delivering sand to the sanding tower although it would require some modification to allow for dumping the sand instead of manual unloading.

Wait until you find out about drop-bottom stock cars.

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Some of the cars only had a few drop bottom hatches, not over the trucks or brake equipment. Workers would have to shovel lots of stuff that didn’t fall thru the hatches. Then there was the GS (general service) gondola which had the drop hatches along the entire both sides of the car, and the stuff would fall out side the rails. In the classic era, GS gondolas seemed to be preferred over hoppers out west.

I’ve seen these types of wood gondolas in use arounf the Great Lakes. NYC, PRR, Erie and Lackawanna all had many varieties of them. Yes, they took a bit of shoveling to get them to empty out.

Thornburger Unloaders Buffalo 2 by Edmund, on Flickr

In HO I have a few ‘composite’ gondolas from Intermountain. These actually come with wood side planking and bottoms and show the hardware for lowering the ‘traps’.

The familiar slope-sheet hoppers were generally refered to as ‘Self Clearing’ hoppers since they would pretty much empty out without additional shoveling.

Thornburger Unloaders Buffalo by Edmund, on Flickr

This looks like the beginning of the adoption of sloping troughs to assist in unloading:

1166002 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Side dump:

8876 001 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Closed:

8876 002 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Regards, Ed