Hello all.
I’m wondering what all the early (pre-1960) diesel models were. I’m familiar with the E-6, E-8, F-3, F-7, P A & B and C-Liners, but I’m not too sure about the others.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Tracklayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GM-EMD_locomotives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ALCO_diesel_locomotives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GE_locomotives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fairbanks-Morse_locomotives
That’s a start!
Rotor
Check out this site: Diesel Chronology.
Jeffrey, that’s a good link. A bit easier than the links I dug up!
Rotor
Wow guys!.. I never imagined there were so many. I had always wondered, but what moved me to ask the question was that I recently bought a PA A & B diesel set and was curious to know when they were built.
Thanks a lot.
Tracklayer
Saw an episode of Trains and Locomotives last week that had the whole time line and evolution of the F, E, and PA style locos. I believe all of them were pre 60’s. It was a REALLY interesting show!
Hi!
The links fixed you up with answers, but I was wondering if you were interested in a specific RR or ???
Mobilman44
I thought the same Loathar…but looking at the link Jeffrey posted shows the E-9’s built as late as 1963. I thought the covered wagons were all from the '40’s and 50’s.
Rotor
If Southern Pacific ran its last steam loco in 1953 (I think) and the GS3s, 4s & 5s where replaced by E7s, PAs and then E8/9s that makes me think the E7s and PAs were built before 1960. Just because a model was built into the 60s make it only built in the 60s. The E9 was introduced in May 1954. Not trying to be rude.
There were also EMD GP7s, 9s & 18s as well as SD7s & 9s. Don’t forget the SWs, SCs etc…
No rudeness noted. [:D] As I stated in my post, I just didn’t think they were still being built as late as the 60’s. I had assumed production had ceased before then. I knew they weren’t designed or first produced that late.
Rotor
Yup, they were still in demand then. The next (I believe) EMD passenger diesel was the SDP35.
No, not really. Just general info on pre-60s diesels like I said in the beginning. The set I bought are Union Pacific.
Tracklayer
That is OK as far as it goes. But where are the multitude of Westinghouse locomotives from the 1920s and 30s? Where are the Davenports and Whitcombs that sold to the class 1 railroads? Where is the Brill that demonstrated on the PRR and sold to the Long Island? Where is the Ingalls that sold to the GM&O? Where are the PRR and TexMex home made diesels?
Alco built the PA passenger locomotive from 1948 through 1953. The Alco’s were a second stringer to EMD’s E units. The E’s were built from the late 1930’s until 1963. There were several models of E units. EA, E-2, E-3, E-4, E-5(CB&Q only)E-6, then the bulldog nosed E-7, E-8 & E-9. If I’m remembering correctly Union Pacific E-9a 914 was the last E unit built.
There were only 300 Alco PA’s built including PB’s. Espee had the biggest fleet of 68 units followed by the Santa Fe with 44. The PA’s were used in most of the United States. GN & NP were the exceptions with no PA’s. GN did have the FA’s and NP had some Alco hood units.
Dont overlook Baldwin Locomotive Works. A steam builder that tried the diesel market.
If you know about them, list them.
Southern Pacific steam in long distance passenger service lasted well into 1956, as GS4’s were used on the San Joaquin Daylight due to a lack of diesels in the Los Angeles Passenger Pool, and commute service trains were under steam until early 1956. GS4’s 4444, 4445, 4458 and 4459 were the regulars on the Daylight, while Mountains, GS and Pacific types all saw work on commutes. SP steam in general lasted well beyond that, with the final regular service run occuring in early 1958, I believe, as SP 2475 took the Second Oakland Zipper south to San Jose, departing around 6:00PM or so, making a pickup at Mulford. While the lion’s share of covered wagon production was in the 50’s the E9 remained in EMD’s catalog until 1963. Passenger power lost favor with builder and buyer alike when passenger trains lost favor with their owners. While “bridge units” such as the SDP35 and SDP40 and 45 were offered in the mid 60’s and the FP45 would appear late in that decade, the next real revolution in cowl type passenger power design would have to wait until the F40PH.
And while you’re about it, see if you can list all the European diesel-hydraulics, and the various classes of diesel-mechanicals, and such one-off wierdies as the 8-cylinder 1-C-1 that wasn’t sure whether it was a diesel or a steamer (4 cylinders each…)
There were a LOT of diesels built prior to 1960, all over the world.
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with diesel-hydraulics)
WP3020, not so! My last year of high school '56-'57, I oiled freights in West Oakland and remember the last few of the cab forwards going to Roseville and Dunsmuir hauling freights. They were still being used as helpers up to Oakridge and Ashland/Medford in '57. And they were still being used up Donner Pass, too. jc5729 John Colley, Port Townsend, WA