In the March issue there is mention of EMD’s new engine, the 265H, a four-cycle. I suppose, then, that this is not in production yet. I read once that the four-cycle by virtue of its design was cleaner burning than a two-cycle engine. Is this true?
New compared to the 567/645/710 engine line. The H engine has been around since 96-97 time frame.
Thanks for the reply. Is the H engine in a production locomotive? (I like them four-cycles!)
sd90mac
As far as I know, the H engine is not a production engine. The H engine is mainly being used for marine use. They are working on a 12 cylinder H engine. Only way you’ll see a H-engine is in UP SD90MAC’s numbered 8500-8548? Iffy on the last unit.
Dru
The news is that four demonstrators are being built in London. Two will have the 16V-710G and two will have the 12V-265H. The purpose of the demostrators is to test for Tier II air polution compliance. Several of these new demonstrators should be at the Pueblo test track by the end of the month. There is a conflict as to wether they will be called the SD70MAC-e or the SD89Alpha. Stay tuned for more info.
Gentlemen, Why we are on the subject of engines. Does GE design and build there own engines? Or do they have some outside company design and build them? I believe when they first came out with a decent engine (The U25B) they were useing someone elses engine. Cooper-Bessemer comes to mind as far as a name. Can anyone help?
TIM ARGUBRIGHT
I may be wrong, but, I think that the FDL is still a Cooper Bessemer based design.
Yea, I like the 4-cycles as well. Now for a REALLY great 4-cycle diesel, I nominate the old ALCO 539 engine. Perhaps not so “environmentaly friendly”, but you can’t beat the sound! Or the “smoke show”. I’m really disappointed that GE has put massive mufflers on their current locomotives. Those old U-25’s had a real good “bark” to 'em. Same thing goes for EMD’s, The SD-60’s sound like a vaccum cleaner. Call me a “Red-neck”, but I’d put headers on a 645, quicker than you can say “EPA”. Has anyone wondered how a EMD 645 would do in a “Tractor-Pull”? I think it would kick ***!
Todd C.
The real news. Two apha units will be on there way to Pueblo shortly. All apha’s will have 16-710’s in them. Until that is, the 12-H is ready.
The 16H engine has seen service in 4 CP SD90mac’s (9300-9303), 62 UP SD90mac’s p1 and p2 (UP8500 - UP8561), and 20 in 4 Tidewater boats (4 H’s per boat).
Further on Tim Argubright’s question, GE bought it original engine design and the plant to manufacture it (Grove City, PA) from Cooper Bessemer. The new 6000 HP prime mover was designed by a division of Deutz AG in Germany, but built at Grove City. GE has sued Deutz over the adequacy of their design. In the meantime, GE redesigned the prime mover in 1996-1998, and has now redesigned it a second time, creating a twelve-cylinder version at the same time.
Hello again Don. Its been awhile since I have talked to you last. How are things going at EMD? Is there any other engines that you guys are looking into or possibly differant prototypes on the horizon. What is UP’s current NEW order looking like? Loco numbers and things like that?
Later, Dru