It could be. I am more and more thinking that 1982 was the actual demolition year.
Rich
It could be. I am more and more thinking that 1982 was the actual demolition year.
Rich
That would be about right right 3 years for all the Bureaucracy.
Chuck
Here ya go. 1982. See the last sentence.
Source: Towns and Nature: Chicago, IL Depot: PRR+RI+NYC&NKP Englewood Union Station (63rd)
That’s still ashamed neat little station. WE have a small B&O station they turned into a vets office.
Chuck
Great video penny love it thank you for posting.
Chuck
What a great old film.
Rich
Just a casual observation I made and that seems like the railroads would leave structures standing, abandoned, for years. Maybe it was the Staggers Act of 1980 and the “Big” changes made that spun off all the regionals and short lines and created the ‘MEGA’ corporate railroads of today that led up to what I call a wholesale evisceration of railroad facilities.
For example near me was NYC’s Collinwood Yard and shops. Once CSX took over that part of Conrail everything there was leveled and only a few sheds remain.
NYCS Collinwood by Edmund, on Flickr
To me that was the big turning point.
Cheers, Ed
So, 1980 was the turning point?
The point of no return?
Rich
The enactment of the Staggers Act in 1980 was the start of the relatively deregulated railroad renaissance. Staggers let the carriers get heavily into the ‘plant rationalization’ game - abandoning lines with next to no traffic and selling off lines that had traffic, but not enough to make that line segment profitable and thus giving short line operators an opening into the business.
Bad management?
Here in the U.K the powers that be wanted to close the Somerset & Dorset line.
The S&D was a very busy line during Summer. Winter time was ‘just busy’ especially freight trains.
Anyway to take traffic away from the line freight trains (and there was many) were diverted along other lines ( even though the S&D was quicker).
The line was closed.
David
As Ed McMahon would say to Johnny Carson, “You are correct, sir”.
Rich
Railroads are business that exist to make a profit for their owners. They are not preservation societies. They had (have) every reason to remove structures that were not needed, especially when those structures caused additional maintenance expenses and/ or property taxes by local municipalities that considered those structures as improvements. There are also plenty of cases where the RR sold the structure to private actors, who then demolished them or otherwise let them decay into oblivion.
Never said they weren’t. My point was that prior to say, the 1980s, many structures were simply left to decay and there seemed to be no impetus to clean up the area. My reference to the Staggers Act was simply as a time frame, plus, perhaps, it gave the railroads a bit more freedom to sell off properties no longer needed, thus the cleanup required.
I’m sure there were other factors involved, too. The EPA and liability laws most certainly.
CT Tower, Cleveland by Edmund, on Flickr
B&O Cone Yard by Edmund, on Flickr
CSX - East St. Louis, IL by d.w.davidson, on Flickr
Cheers, Ed
Yep, we get that.
Just out of curiosity, when did the PD publish that photo?
I live on the West end of CUT close to where the Linndale roundhouse was. In between me (Parma Heights) and Linndale is the Plain Dealer’s new exciting super fancy all under one roof reporting writing editing and printing facility built in the 90’s in Brooklyn that was supposed to be the end all beat all of Cleveland newspaper facilities. Not sure what goes on there these days. It’s starting to look like a ghost town itself, never any cars there.
Yep, I was looking for the same info. Usually when I scan something I save the larger image (which would have had the year on it) thankfully, I just came across the clipping and the date is June 21, 1996
I remember the old Plain Dealer plant at E. 18th St. I was a carrier for a year or two and had a tour of the old place back in 1968 or so. I remember the Cleveland Press building at E. 9th. and Lakeside, too. Yeah, when I drive by the Tiedeman Road place it looks like an abandoned penitentiary!
I grew up at the other end of C.U.T. and my dad frequently brought me to Collinwood where I still remember the catenary supports being there.
One of my West Side friends lived near W. 57th and Fulton and one day we explored around the old Linndale engine terminal off Memphis. Most of the turntable pit still remained. Years later a K-Mart (was) there. I’m not sure what it looks like presently. Last time I looked the old P-1a inspection shed was still standing:
Linndale_P1a-Inspection1 by Edmund, on Flickr
West 130th St. would be just left of the photo.
Here’s Linndale in better days!
Linndale Roundhouse Big Four by Edmund, on Flickr
CUT_Mercury_Linndale by Edmund, on Flickr
Cheers, Ed
I looked up stuff too!
Linndale today according to Google maps:
Where I am in relation:
Collinwood in better days by Herbert R. Harwood:
Google:
Today I was close! I was at a bus stop on Ridge road very close to the ex-NYC CSX mainline just north of the Linndale yard site.
This is an east- west spur (missed a train by about 5 minutes ) about 5 yards south of the bus stop. The CSX main is to the right:
Again I got skunked because my bus was pulling up just as a train of gray covered hoppers was thundering past just in front of that house you can see in the photo. The 71 bus then took me up Ridge to Memphis and up Tiedeman past the Linndale yard site and the Plain Dealer ghost yard
I also find it amusing that one of the few surviving places in Cleveland to buy Lionel Trains is within spitting distance of the yard!
I think this building might be the P1-a inspection shed:
No idea what a “Gwedo” is.