Hey all
I’m trying to figure out what cars go with what engines.
Is this correct
To me this could be age appropriate.
This next car I need to know what engine and what caboose
mments comments welcome
Thanks
Lee
Lee, Actually all the rolling stock you have pictured would go together well, reprsenting the 1860’s to 1880’s.
The cars in the 2nd picture would likely be a newer than the simple arch rof cars but could/would be pre 1890.
Not sure how you meant this, but I will throw this out there, passenger trains would not have a caboose then no different than in the 20th century.
But that is a correct freight train caboose for the same era.
The cars in the 2nd picture, roundhouse Overton’s, are freelanced. Actual cars would have been longer, more like 50’, even in the 1880’s.
Hope this helps.
Sheldon
I second the motion.
Good point.
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The cars in the 2nd picture, roundhouse Overton’s, are freelanced. Actual cars would have been longer, more like 50’, even in the 1880’s. [/uote]
Sorta. The cars are actually prototypical based on a couple cars built in the late 1800’s for a branch on a small railroad out west (the Sierra??). The cars lasted into the 30’s or 40’s in service and were used in several movies. The paint scheme is entirely made up for those cars I agree with Sheldon that the typical passenger car in the 1850’s to 1880’s would be in the 40 to 60 ft range.
OK, got it, Lose the caboose.
How about an engine for the green cars? I have a 2-6-0 that is larger than the 4-4-0. It’s the wrong color but I could paint it, or a 2-8-0 consolidation in black?
I appreciate the help.
Lee
Is the 2-6-0 an “old timer” like the the Roundhouse model? Is it the Roundhouse model? If so, yes it would be fine.
As for color, stuff didn’t match back then. Passenger cars might be one color and each and every loco on the same road might be a different bright multi color scheme.
Black didn’t start until late in the 19th century. Yellow, red or green were very popular for passenger cars.
By the 1880’s or 90’s you would have started to 2-8-0’s, some of them black and used mostly for freight.
Sheldon
The 2-6-0 would be mostly a freight engine also. The 4-4-0 would be the “GP7” of the early 1800’s and would be the primary passenger power. The 4-6-0 was the fast freight and heavy passenger train engine.
The Roundhouse or Model Power 2-8-0 would have been the SD70’s of their day. The biggest, most powerful freight engines on the railroad. There were some 0-10-0 and 0-12-0 engines but they were mostly built for pusher service.
Yellows and browns were very popular colors for passenger trains in the mid 1800’s.
Engines often had combinations of greens, blues, wine reds. An engine might have a dozen colors on it, plus polish and varnished walnut wood work. There were even a couple engines with pink tenders. Striping and filligree was everywhere on the engines. And in multiple colors, gold, tan, teal, brown, green, etc. Engines also had painted tableaus on tenders, cabs, headlights. ots of brass and nickel plated trim.
The railroad engine of the 1800’s was the epitome of modern industrial might and civilization. It was the space shuttle, the Airbus 380, Boeing 787 of its day.
Dave H.
Except that Canadian National did not exist prior to about 1920, and the green/black/yellow scheme those cars are painted in dates from 1954.
1 - I noted they were freelanced and Dave filled in more detail about that.
2 - Just to be clear, I was refering to/considering only the design/contruction/style of the rolling stock - not the prototypical accuracy of the that particular paint scheme.
Having followed Lee’s postings and modeling in answering previous questions for him, I suspect he purchased them because he liked their looks, not out of some prototype motivation to “model” the CN.
Again, as Dave noted, if Roundhouse only painted those cars in a prototypical paint scheme, it would be only one paint scheme.
Sheldon
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The Sierra Railway built 2 short passenger cars (1 combine, 1 coach) for mixed train service on the Angels Camp Branch. The branch featured steep grades, sharp curves, and 2 switchbacks with limited tail length. The switchback tails and the limited traffic drove the special short cars. A Shay was the primary power on the Angels Camp Branch, which would have limited speeds to 10MPH (at best) - and further limited passenger traffic.
The cars were built in 1902 in San Francisco, and are currently at the Railtown Museum, where they have been used in movies. The Angels Camp branch was abandoned in 1935. The construction style is similar to typical open platform wood passenger car construction of 1880 through 1905. By 1905 open platforms had gone out of style, and wood was being replaced by steel. The difference in the Sierra Ry cars is the short length.
The coach went to the Hetch Hetchy RR (used to build the dam in Yosemite). The combine was used as a caboose on the Sierra Ry from 1935 to 1955.
One source of my information is http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=24429.
The “Overton” name was applied by MDC to their version of the Sierra Ry short passenger cars. MDC made a baggage and an observation vers
Hey guys
Sheldon is right. The 2-6-0 I bought because the tender frame was broken. I repaired it and put a decoder in it. As for the 4-4-0 I just liked the look. I’ve installed a decoder and I want to set up an appropriate consist for both loco’s.
Heres the 2-6-0.
My layout is most defiantly free lanced. I can get some more of the green cars and would like another of the old stile.
Is my black 2-8-0 con. too new for the green cars?
Thanks
Lee
Edit: I guess the locos a little bright I may have to weather it. [:-^]
You have never stated an era for your layout, but you seem very concerned with having the locomotives and the cars match eras. As was pointed out, the “green” passenger cars are approximate models of a prototype that served from 1902 to as late as 1955. Since then, the prototype cars have been used in movies and tourist excursions. So the prototype cars have had a long life. Open platform wood passenger cars survived on other railroads into the '30s on branch lines and backwater passenger service, and very occasionally into the 1950s (but usually in non-revenue service).
From my understanding of the posts, the green CN paint scheme in the photo was never used on wood passenger cars. So I don’t see a lot of point in worrying about matching an engine to the cars.
The 2-6-0 in the picture is post-1905 or so because of the piston valves. Until then, slide valves were generally used, and are shown as rectangular boxes on top of the cylinders. The invention and use of superheaters made slide valves obsolete. I suspect your 2-8-0 is a model of a prototype built after 1912, also.
Railroads tended to use 4 wheel pony trucks on engines to pull passenger trains. Thus, a 4-4-0, 4-6-0, or 4-6-2 (in later years) would be more likely to be used in passenger service than a 2-6-0 or 2-8-0. But short lines and branch lines used what they had, especially when speed was not an issue. Many a passenger train in the backwater was in fact pulled by 2-8-0s, at least some of the time.
From the 1850
Thanks to all of you,
I’m learning a lot. My layout is transition, early 50s or late 40s. I do like to take a consist to my club that is different from time to time. We are in the building stage and just run trains for the fun of it on non build nights. I think I have I have an idea of what I need for the locos.
I appreciate the help. [bow]
Lee