Hello dear community,
I granted myself an (expensive) GG1 made by MTH in HO.
I’m not sure whether this is THE super model for the money…but it’s nice and the GG1 always pleases - it’s in her DNA I assume…
BUT, placed on the programming track, once I set to read the CVs the DCC station short circuits! Even if I try on the PoM by modifying the CV the station blanks…what am I to do? The address keeps being #3 and I MUST change it.
Thanks for any hint.
Sebastian
If it has the MTH proprietary DCS system, it is not DCC compatible, and you cannot use a DCC system to change it.
Looking at the blurb on the MTH site, http://www.mthtrains.com/content/80-2147-1, all you can do with a DCC system is access the 28 different functions. You are not going to be able to read or change any CVs. However, you should also be able to change the address.
Possibly you should re-post your question with a title like “how do I change the address on my MTH GG1?”
If the MTH GG1 is HO then it’s DCC compliant, although Sabastian won’t be able to access many of the functions. I also checked on eBay and the MTH GG1s are listed as “can be controlled in command mode with any DCC compliant command control system”
Sabastian, does the manual that came with your GG1 say that you have to do something (throw a switch) to make it operate in DCC? And what DCC system are you using?
Tom
Welcome to the weird world of DCS. It’s a lot like that planet in Superman that is on the other side of the sun, Bizarro World (?) where they do everything backwards from what we know and love.
Yeah, Tom’s right, you need to check the documentation, as there must be some way to change the address from 3, even in the limited control you get over DCC functions with DCS.
If it is like the first generation SD70ACe, try programming CV29=38 on the main. These first generation MTH locos will not read CV or program on a programing track
Yup. POM only. Even with a booster MTH engines don’t like programming tracks.
Stu
No no no - sheesh. I was able to reset and change the address on my MTH FA’s on the program track of my PR3, just fine. Probably true they wont read, but I have no reason to read. ANd I was able to use CV17 and CV18 to set my own long address, not just change CV29 to make it use the cab address - mine are 300, and someone else at the club has a 300, so I made mine 301.
The GG1 should be new enough to have some of the updates - the first run of MTH triple mode locos do have some issues, but with each reelase they’ve added additional DCC support. The older ones for the most part can be updated if you know someone or have a LHS with a DCS system. Updates weren’t made available yet for all the locos though.
My issues with the FA’s and why I want to throw them through a wall definitely are not because I cannot program them.
–Randy
Ok, I only need to change the address to my MTH GG1.
Do you mean I should open a new thread with that title?
Ok, so I did this (CV Mod in POM mode) and I got a “user break” message on the screen of my station.
And after setting CV 29 = 38, I have inverted the direction of the locomotive [:(]
How do I restore it?
I tried changing the address on CV 1 but nothing happened other than “no confirmation” message. Address keeps being 3.
I have read the manual throughout (http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/download/instruction/80dl13833i.pdf)
There is a troubleshooting section, with the issue of the address. According to this wording, I should be able to change the CV in the program track!
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Lost or Unknown Address Solution
I can’t call up my engine on the address
I believe it to be set at
So, I am irritated to have this issue on a USD 400 model. What is this supposed to mean???
So, give me the bad news; I’m an adult and I can handle it.
Ordered an HO set of the PAs with 3.0 sound in War Bonnet from the Feb 2013 release. My LHS has had address programming “challenges” with the older runs due to their affinity for track power. What should I expect with my NCE 5 amp system?
Don’t you understand, Mike Wolf is just like a socialist government - he knows what is better for you than anything you know yourself - simply submit and buy DCS, and throw away all those inferior DCC and DC model trains.
Just give him all your money and he will take care of you - trust me.
I just read the prices in the April MR of the upcomming MTH releases, and at first I thought that was the April Fools Joke.
Sheldon
(hiding in my bunker with my DC powered trains and a stash of Aristo Train Engineer throttles)
I see a lot of opinions, but no definitive answer. Certainly someone should have one of these locos, or have a copy of the quick start guide. Or at least a link to an on-line instruction manual.
Seems to me in a recent thread I suggested not too many people who frequent this forum were buying MTH based on the lack of conversation about same - maybe I was right after all.
Sheldon
Wow, you guys are really making me feel warm and fuzzy about my purchase. So, I should keep the locos and rip out the MTH decoder/sound system replacing it with Tsunami?
Short of that Lemming jumping off a cliff move, you are saying it is hopeless? I’d be happy with, "No, it’s only catastrophic ".
I think the first thing is to go back and read the manual and make sure you are following the instructions completely. For example, it says that there is a switch that you have to move from one position to the other depending on whether you are using DCS or DCC. Did you do that? Also, it says that you have to remove the power from the loco for at least 5 seconds or else the changes won’t be remembered. Did you do that? It suggests that you use programming on the main to get the long address changed, and that you need to program CVs 17 and 18 to get the long address, and refers you to a conversion table. Did you do that?
I don’t have one of these, so I’m just trying to be helpful.
Good luck.
Well it is MTH.
That does sound a bit extreme. If it were me (and in some bizzaro world I purchased a MTH), I would try to carefully follow the directions people have given in this thread. Seems like I see at least three that have promise. See if at least one suggestion works.
If one suggestion doesn’t work you can reset it back to factory settings. Try a different set of directions.
If all else fails instead of ripping it appart I think I would sell it and buy a BLI model of the same loco from eBay or the like. I sitll kick myself for not buying a bunch of the BLIs when Train World was selling them for $129.
I don’t believe BLI has made any GG1’s since about 2004/5, and I don’t know that they intend to bring another to market. In fact, the MTH HO GG1 is BLI’s model won as part of the spoils in a lawsuit BLI’s builder in Korea lost to MTH. It just has the myopic DCS system installed.
Crandell
Are you SURE it’s going backwards? Or just backwards from what it was - check the little ‘F’ decal on the frame corner.
If it’s backwards, add 1 to CV39, so try 39.
There’s another reset, a double click of F28 I think, at least on my FA’s. On the main, when normally operating.
The primary reset is to put the loco ont he main, call up address 55 - SHORT address 55, so no leading 0’s with NCE. Select programming ont he main, set CV55 to 55. Then take the loco off the track, or tip it, to depower it, and then reapply power, it should be on address 3 now.
Make sure no other locos with address 55 or consist 55 are on the track when you do this.
–Randy
i love the look of MTH but i have my own misfortunes with & MTH big boy [#oops] sad cause they could be soo much better