[:D] I perceived that GE locomotive fleet in Brazil is growing up very fast. This year we received more than 200 units and much more is coming till december. Otherwise, GE fleet is becoming old and obsoleted. The last GM that arried here was two SD60M to Carajás RR. Since than, that company brought more than 100 GE Dash-9.
is this an isolated tendency of my country?
No.
GE has been the largest builder since the mid 1980’s.
In the East, NS and CSX have ordered GE almost exclusively.
I wonder is GM executives own GE appliances and GE executives own GM cars. Kind of like being a traitor wouldn’t it?
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CP buys a lot of GE as well.
I doubt that most GE and GM executives know their respective companies even make locomotives at all.[:D][:D][:D]
Pedrop,
The reason you are getting so many GEs is simple…
they are second hand, (used and rebuilt) units.
You already know I delivered several of those locomotives to the ships that carry them to your country…
I have been on a bunch of them, they have had a pretty good going over, most have new paint inside and out, and some mechanical repair/rebuilding and cosmetic work.
They isnt much of a North American market for used GEs, but they sell overseas a lot, and in South America quite well.
Just sent ten out to Argentina last week.
And their are a lot less expensive than used EMDs (GMs)
Ed
[tup][8D]Or smart people that know a good thing for their dollar, like most anyone of us.[swg][:-^]
Ed,
The locomotives that I´m speeking are brand new GE dash 9! EFC has more than 200 units and EFVM has 100 units. Ferronorte has 50 for soilbeam transportation only!
The second hand ones are all GE too. Why dón´t have second hand GM for trate?
Pedro
In Australia, there haven’t been many new locomotives built since the 120 special Dash 9s for National Rail (Cv 40-9i), but most of those are EMDs. Pilbara Rail has bought a lot of standard Dash 9s from Erie, and the Pilbara area was all GE apart from a couple of surviving Alcos (that had GE electrics!).
BHP (Now BHP Billiton) had eight AC6000s, that are still running well at the full 6000HP, but they have announced that they will be buying 13 SD70ACe units.
Chicago Freight Car Leasing (Australia) have been rebuilding a number of Alco units with GE equipment from former Conrail C30-7As, but have stopped this project at 12 units, and are rebuilding 10 more with rebuilt EMD equipment, 16-645F3B engines and EMD electrical gear. Clearances and track loadings don’t allow the use of US locomotives except in the Pilbara area.
So it isn’t that clear, with EMD still in the majority in Australia.
Peter
--------First class operations deserve first class equipment - GE or GM: nuff said-------
In spite of GE fleet is growing up very fast, GM still more dependable. Here in Brazil, EFVM has GE Dash 9 and GM SD45 (DDM45 model). The engineers always say that they prefer to use GM. In fact, all big trains that departs Belo Horizonte area to Vitoria needs a DDM45 on head, because Dash 9 usually have problens when temperature starts to be high inside the tunnels of Piedade hill. Two years ago, a dash 9 switched off inside one tunnel and the train went back down hill, destroying Pedreira station and killing a dispacher.
Pedro
Sounds like they need some tunnel motors! [:)]
NS is almost all GE’s on the main, NS has 43 SD70M’s and 1,022 C40-9W’s as a comparison.
GEs rule…alot better hunk of hardware compared to the EMD counterparts in the same classes of locomtives… the GE 4400hp units are better overall then any of the EMD 70-80-90 mac class of power…
csx engineer
All you GE fans are dissilusioned gimps. GE’s don’t last as long GM’s stuff. Regardless how much cheaper GE’s (new or used) claim to be, you pay for that quaility also. That’s why you go on the rosters of mostly every railroad in the northern americas and you’ll see many more GM’s, WITH AGE, on them, more so any GE of more than 20-30 years old (sometimes even less). There are -7 and -8 models already being stored or scrapped. It’s rarer still, that you’ll see much in the way of U series locomotives anywhere, except maybe a regional or short line road. Although GE may be outselling GM in the locomotive market, the fact remains, GM (GMLG [EMD]) actually makes a better product than GE…period!
Glenn
A R E A L RAILROADER…A TRUE AMERICAN!!!
GE LOCOS ARE IN THE SAME CLASS AS GE APPLIANCES JUNK
Hey, I really like my GE stove and refrigerator!!! [:D][:D]
GM’s with age yes because you add parts to them as they get old no use to get rid of them because they have new parts on them.GE’s yes scrap them because when they get old you have to rebuild them from the ground up.
Both locomotives have thier good and bad points these days. The recent offerings from EMD aren’t anything to get exited about . The SD50 was and is a piece of junk , the UP has given up on the SD90mac cause of serious availability problems. Almost all of the latest EMDs are spending alot of time at Paducha having mods made to them . The GE locomotive is a much more complex diesel with many more moving parts than the EMD 2 stroke. I believe that the problems with the GE locomotives can be corrected wereas the EMD product has way too many serious engineering flaws. There are some EMD exceptions , the SD70m is a fine machine, remember that the RRs pretty much told EMD to cram all thier fancy technology and build a simple , reliable locomotive with old tech ( real air gauges, 26 air,DC traction etc.) I intend to operate a fleet af older GEs, we will fini***he engineering on the locomotives and get some reasonable numbers as far as MTBF and availability on dash 7s and dash 8s.
Randy
i dont give a crap on how long they are in service for…im talking about overall proformace…the new GEs -8-9s out proform the EMD counterparts hands down…the GEs pull better under full load…and with a heavey train they will pull the hell out of it… they have a far superior dynamic brakeing system…you can bring a 17000 ton coal drag to a crawl in a short distance…cant do it with a 70mac…and you dont have to cut the whole truck out when you have a traction motor go down on you…like you have to do with a 70 80 or 90mac… the only pluse that EMD has over GE is the ride quility…a bit quiter then a -8 or 9…but thats it… now if EMD can master there weak points…then and only then might they be a better locomotive…but untill then…GEs are #1 in my book for overall proformace!!!
csx engineer