Ground foam, rocks and vertical walls

This is the first time I’ve used rock castings in my scenery. I’ve started doing my ground foam on some mountains. Using Mod Podge for a base glue. Sprinkling the foam with a strainer. What’s a good way to apply the foam to a semi vertical surface? I’ve tried throwing pinches of foam at it and blowing small amounts off a sheet of paper, but I’m thinking there might be a better way.(any hints?)

When spraying my scenic cement, I’m ending up with semi shiny rocks. Do you guys mask your rocks off when spraying glue on your foam? (That would be a lot of masking.) Or do you just go back and repaint your rocks?[%-)]

Other than that, everythings looking great!

Loather, I have a small glue bottle that I keep filled with diluted glue. I use an eye dropper for the alchohol first. Then drizzle from the glue bottle.

I am on geodesic foam rocks. The alchohol will take the paint off if I am not careful, so the eye dropper gives me more control that a spray bottle. The greenry that I put on the face, I actually dip in glue to attach.

Sue

I am working on a continuation of a very steep mountain side myself. I learned a few techniques when doing the first few feet. I like to make landforms with structolyte. It has nicely realistic grit and the side benefit of not being as slippery as foam or plaster. You can also cover foam with it to make a more dirt-like surface.

Anyway, I spray the (dirt color painted) slope with 70% isopropyl, then with 1:4 diluted matte medium. Some of it runs down the surface but that’s OK. Then I gently sprinkle on the ground foam. Again, some will slide down but that’s OK too. Once it’s dry I add another light coat of alcohol, then mm. I think that mod podge is similar to gloss medium.

For really steep surfaces I have found two techniques that work.

  1. Use fine foam for the first layer. It will give some friction or “tooth” for the second real layer of foam. It is also light enough that once wet it tends to stick.

  2. Manually glue some larger pieces of foam onto the hillside where you want them. When thoroughly dry spray and dust. The foam will only roll so far.

I have heard that rubber cement works but I’ve not tried it myself.

As for the rocks, I’ve gotten pretty good at keeping overspray off of them but it still happens once in a while. Matt medium is great because it won’t make the rocks shiny. If it leaves a white mark or other undesired stuff I just touch up the paint. Flat lacquer (dullcote) should take the shine off of the scenic cement for you. I hope that this is helpful.

Good luck,

Karl

I don’t use glue to hold down ground foam, except for larger shrubs, then it’s a drop of CA on the bush and place manually.

After the spackling compound over the plaster cloth is carved to suit me, I paint everything with Wal-mart arcylics mixed to simulate dry dirt, wet earth, dead grass, peak foliage, pine duff, and three colors for rock, dark, medium and highlight. Rock to grass borders are pretty abrupt, same for rock to dirt, except on talus beards below steep faces. Grass to dirt interfaces get smeared over several inches, to near dry brushing on the fringes.

Then I go back and start adding ground foam. For thick grass or weeds, I’ll use one of the greens, dab on say four inches by four inches, then one or two wet brushes worth of extra paint to re-wetten the earliest parts, then sprinkle grass or foam or random size sand, or what have you where it needs to go. If it’s real gnarly grass, weeds, thin, or on steep surfaces, I use one of the dirt browns instead, and sprinkle very lightly so I end up with patches. Ledges on vertical faces sometimes get soil colors to adhere greenery, and sometimes rock colors.

24 hours after application, I go over it with the dustbuster, being careful not to touch any surfaces with the snout. It usually doesn’t need touchup, but if it does, more paint and more foam till it’s right.

In nature, greenery rarely transitions suddenly to bare dirt, except at certain kinds of escarpments and washes. With paint, I find it a lot easier to blend a nice transition. Heavier foliage increases all the way up to mature forest, towards flat ground, water, lower altitudes, etc. Runs of trees and shrubs and grass often form vertical strips in the mountains, because the seeds follow the gravity/fall line each autumn.

Vertical or overhanging terrain rarely supports much growth. Ledges can, and sometimes this growth can hang over the edge in sort of a spillway pattern. Getting these right is easier done in laye

I use undiluted PVA (White)glue applied where required with a small stiff bristled paint brush. I then press Woodland scenics underbrush fine clump foliage by hand to the glued area. I find the undiluted glue stiff enough to hold the fine grade foliage but not the coarser stuff. I give the glue a day to dry and then over spray with PVA glue diluted 1:3. Don’t forget to wash the brush as soon as you have finished with it.

The Vertical Scenery that Art does for his layout is done in sections

using foam board as the backing the rock molds are fastened by inserting toothpicks in the backside of the rockmold before it hardens then liquid nails is used to glue the rock molds onto the foam board.

with the board laying flat on the table it’s easy to paint the molds and apply ground foam

then the whole section is fastened in place with drywall screws

When finished the whole board will be covered in trees

Thanks all! I’ll have to try using some diluted matte glue with alcohol as mentioned for my base coat. It seems the straight stuff has a surface tension to it that doesn’t allow the fine grass to stick very well. It doesn’t “wick” up into the foam either. That coffee can idea sounds good too.

Some of the overhangs with no foam under them turned out pretty good. I’ll just have to paint a better dirt or rock color under the rest before I foam them.

Thanks again! (hopefully have some pics next week)