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Allan.
Buffalo Springfield had it right.
thats sad that you can’t take pictures of nothing no more. Im going railfanning in the morning and i will be photograghing and video taping the railroad on public property with also i have permission from a rr conductor to take the photos and be on railroad property as long as i stay out of the way.
Good response!
that was just wrong
So you’re not allowed to take pictures of bridges, huh? Well, I guess that leaves out any pictures of cities with rivers. Industrial sites, I wonder how broad a definition they can get out of that…
I can’t believe it. Now the terrorists have truly won. “Have you heard of 9-11?” “Yes, have you heard of basic human rights?”
Maybe those cops should loosen up a little. Here, at ground zero, their heads are screwed on straight. While on my way to catch a MetroNorth New Haven Express, I took these pictures in Grand Central Terminal.
I was shooting away with my camera. Cops with assault rifles were all around and sane. When I took the picture at track 34 I actually braced my arm on the Information desk where a cop was sitting.
Nice pics, Eastside ! [:)]
I’m with Larry…
Stop,
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look what’s going down…
Actually, if we are lucky, the Congress will fail to re-new the Patriot act before the end of the year.
Oh, and the act make no mention of photographing trains, planes or places…although a lot of people, and a lot of cops, think it does.
What it does allow is the government to suspend quite a few of your civil right and liberties…
Ed
They already did last night. It has been extended for another six months.
Six months of no freedom. Hassment from the cops. I thought that just being on public property was safe enough,I guess not. Allan.
Unfortunately, the “Patriot” Act was renewed for another six months. The main reason it was not made permanent, as Bush has gone on record saying that is what he wants, was due to the efforts of Senator Russ Fiengold of Wisconsin (the only Senator who voted against the original, back in 10/01).
I probably shouldn’t say this because it might give some railroad companies ideas, or other entities for that matter, but…
I was talking to a friend last night, a big NASCAR and racing fan all around, he found out there other day that any picture or image or video that ANYBODY takes at ANY race track is LEAGALLY the property of NASCAR. So, I asked him, if I understand it right, that when I take MY camera, that I bought and paid for with MY money, use the film, that I bought and paid for with MY money, at/inside a racing venue, and have that film developed, bought and paid for with MY money, the images are technically owned by NASCAR (or Formula One, whichever the case may be)???
And my friend said that’s right, which left me baffled. So, therefore, NASCAR owns those pictures I took at all those races I’ve been to. But the only way I can get in trouble is if I sell those images.
My question, other than ‘is this right (morally and legally)’, is if this is going to set a trend. And not just in the sports world. I can see the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc wanting to do the same thing but would/could railroads impose such a restriction? If you photograph a train could the railroad OWN YOUR PHOTOS and deny you the ability to SELL YOUR OWN PHOTOS??
And could this spread to other areas as well? For instance, buildings and bridges? Does the owner of a building, so for instance a bank or hotel, retain the copyright on a picture you took that included their building even though you bought and paid for the film and its developing? If you take a picture of a bridge does the city, county, or even the local Department of Transportation own the rights to YOUR photo?
In that case, people who make videos and movies are going to have to start paying out real hefty royalties on everything. Pentrex would be sunk. Hollywood, if they happen to catch a glimpse of a racetrack in the backround of a frame in some movie, will have to pay a fine for selling images that included s
IHM - I think it’s in the fine print on the back of your ticket. Not much different than the disclaimer they say at the end of major league sports event broadcasts - “This broadcast/images/etc are the property of major league whatever and may not be rebroadcast, etc, etc.” Keep in mind that if you are sitting inside Charlotte Motor Speedway, having gained admission via purchasing a ticket or having a pass, that you are on their property and are subject to their rules.
On the other hand, if you shoot a NASCAR car as it goes by you on a public street on the back of a rollback, I’m pretty sure the image is yours to do with as you wish. Pretty much the same state of affairs we’ve discussed for railroad photography.
As for the newspaper - if it’s newsworthy, I doubt you’ll get any money. I’ve been in the paper, and on TV many times and have yet to get one red cent. If you are in a posed situation you will often be asked to sign a release. Independent photogs often do just that if, f’rinstance, they take a picture of you drinking from a water fountain and plan to sell the image. If you’re a routine nobody, odds are you’ll not get a penny out of it.
A local fire chief has issued an order that anyone caught taking unauthorized pictures “inside the yellow tape” at fires in his locality will be escorted off the fireground, regardless of official status. His concern is that firefighters are on the fireground to fight fires, not take pictures. The issue came to a head when pictures of a major fire surfaced on the 'Net that had been taken from on top of an aerial ladder or were of things like firefighters clowning around when they should have been working.
That still doesn’t change the ‘stupid’ factor that is cropping up.
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
Step out of line, the man comes, he takes you away.
- “For What It’s Worth” - Buffalo
Larry…
All satire aside, it makes me wonder where the most paranoia lies: in the common man worried about his rights and freedoms taken away, or on the corporate and government side worried about protecting themselves from every concievable incident. Or maybe it’s evenly balanced. Both sides get ‘screwed’ so to speak, but probably not as harmful as everyone thinks.[2c]
Ugh, too much thinking for one morning, gonna take a break now. [%-)]
Remember the Maine
Remember the Alamo
And remember there’s a quiz on Monday
[swg]
[:(!] I for one hope Torrance PD gets hit hard and that this case gets lots of publicity. Don’t get me wrong, It’s not because these cops were not doing there job, but bucause they are out there enforcing laws that don’t exist. If these bozos are going to be in the law enforcement bussiness then they @#& well better know the laws.[:(!]
I dont think terrorists will be attacking the US they have themselves busy getting killed in Iraq, I used to think Bush was a good president but now that image as altered to what I see today a man trying to cover up the fact they have been spying on us, they are probley spying on us this moment.
Brings to mind another song:
I always feel like
Somebody’s watching me.
Seriously, though, you don’t really expect much to change afterwards, do you?
If UP ever hears of that NASCAR rule watch out! Next thing you know,any photo taken from a UP train,or of a UP train,either on or off UP property,will be claimed as owned by the UP,and the photographer will have to pay royalties to the big yellow sponge[:0]!
