I have a better idea, lets close down the Trains.com and other online railfan forums in the name of homeland security [:p]. Furthermore, if someone is determined enough to cut a padlock off of a locomotive cab door, then certainly none of the other safety measures are going to stop them either… it’s only a matter of how long it takes them to figure it out.
Valley, you probably have work boots with more seniority than I have. Were you aiming that at me?
The person who comitited this crime was not a terrorist or that knowledgeable as they were not aware of the derailer! Unless there plan was to put her on the ground in which case there plan worked perfectly. A terrorist who could move the train could defeat the derailer with little trouble. As a retired locksmith and safe technition most security devises are best at letting you know someone has or is invading your space. There is much truth in the old adage that locks keep out honest people. Each and everyone of us has a reponsibilty to our neigbors and community to always be vigilant in observing and reporting any suspious activity to the powers that be. It is only thru increased awarenes that maybe we can thwart the efforts of those that desire to do us harm. [2c]
I agree with you here. Digital Electronic code devices seem to me to be a good way to secure a locomotive. The only problem the railroad would run into with this technology is that, the Electronic Code Device may provide just about the same amount of protection as a pad lock, if the device is either “broken” or shot out, when it’s forceibly broken will it go into an automatic “shut down” ? Preventing anything from working in the locomotive? Or will this device only shut down the entry doors? Then if the violater wanted to that person could bust up one of the windows to get in. Or is the railroad going to invest in what I like to call “City Convenince Store Glass” which is extreamly bullet, and shatter proof. Something like that may work. But than again if someone really wants to hijack a locomotive, they are going to find any means possible. It will also most likely be a well thought out plan too. Unfortunitly, all locks can be bypassed somehow, it’s only a matter of patience, physics, and time. If it can be built it can be distroyed. [:(]
I read your profile you dork. Gee whiz, I am a proud graduate of the Modoc Railroad academy class of April 2005. When did you hire out? Which road do you work for? I am an embarassment to our profession? Really! C’mon wise guy how many years do you have in? I am an accident waiting to happen? Wow, maybe I should trade in my 11+ years in the industry (not all in TY&E) and get schooled corre
Actually, I just got a new pair.[:D] Yes, drfizzix, I think this will be 451 posts over not quite five years. There are other things to do, you see.
I’ll end this pissing contest with you now. You are right, You probably do more work on your shortline than I have ever done. Us class 1 guys could learn a thing or two from a shortline newbie. I myself would be embarassed to run my mouth like you do with only 8 mos of time on the RR, but, that’s just me. I’m sure that my working in the yards of BNSF’s biggest terminal on our system for several years doesn’t compare to a days work performed by you and your MODOC groomed switching techniques. I’m sure that the my cert cards that I hold don’t even come close to the years of RR experience that 6 very long and intensive weeks at MODOC along with a very rigorous whole 8 mos on the job have given you. I bow in utter disgrace for having a cushy and meaningless Class 1 job when there is so much more to be learned by working in an ultra intense environment like you do. Maybe someday we can get together and you can share all of your RRing experience with me. It probably will all go right over my head anyway.
Kudos to you, Scott. Kudos to you. BTW, with a BS in physics, why pre-tell are you working on the RR and not doing something in your field of study?
(Ed and all of you real shortline rails: this is not directed toward you)
It’s not becuase you have an education. You have no time on the job. That’s why. You are a F.N.G.
You popped off and was taken to task on it…that’s all.
in the midst of the pissing match, i’m posting my rebuttal. i was just being a smartass about it while the fanatics go fanatical.
btw. reading the post about peoples’ ages i was suprised by how old some of you actually are. some come off as mature, while others seem very immature.
i have 2 pairs of boxin gloves. class 1’s and 3’s aside last man standing wins.
In my 20 years of railroading, I have seen quite a variety of employees. I have seen guys with 1 years’ seniority be able to out-switch some old heads, and I’ve seen engineers with only a few years experience run trains better than some of the old farts. The variable factors seem to be ambition, dedication, and a willingness to try to be better at what you do each day.
Good at last I found the grown men acting as children chat room. Where should I begin. It must be nice to never have been the FNG Oh yes …[D)]
Hey none of you have any skills to match my RR experience I have both MSTS and Trainz and I have driven a trolley at the museum I volunteer at I have driven it to one end of our longest line to the other a full 1/5 mile. And I am certified to give the general public handcar rides so there. lol
Great answer!
When theres a fight, always try to end it with humour.
By the way, I am a 14 year old student who has had MSTS since it was new and found the cabs are extremely similar to the real ones, considering that during a cab ride 2 years ago when I said “the cab is just like Trainsim”, the engineer stopped the CP GP38-2 (3096) I was in and told me to drive. I did not require any help at all and think anyone could figure out how to start a locomotive, especially when the throttle and brake handles are labled numerically. (usually a higher number means more power)
That has been a criticism levelled at Train Sim - in their defence, MS have apparently left out some pretty important details (there’s a lot more to moving the real thing than MSTS shows you - I’ve read some driver’s manuals for British DMUs and having driven one in MSTS won’t enable you to start the real thing from cold and move it). The gearbox programming was particularly interesting - in MSTS you can change gear without closing the throttle, if you tried that on the real thing they’d be picking bits of transmission up half a mile away!
Zard you have a valid point my man. And David once you get a few things thrown you can move sure ( just like trainsim) But like our Brit friend says there are a few steps always left out of something.
I would love to see a guy come and get our derails down at the service track. Seeings none but the ones guarding the pit want to work! Some old heads said in the old days you got paid for wyeing power. Well I wish it was the old days cause I would have had three turns on one set.All cause the *** derail wouldnt go down.
Root Beer and Pretzels in concessions - trackside!
Why the hell are we talking about BIn Laden, what the hell, the guy’s stupid enough to cra***wo planes into the world trade center’s let alone, MOVE A TIED DOWN LOCOMOTIVE!!! but, may have benn a local person with some experience about jimmyin’ control stands or locomotive controls, how knows!?
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Only god does…
read drfizzix posts. I was a F.N.G but the difference was is that I knew that I was a newbie. This cat popped off and backed it up with silly stuff. It is funny how guys **** off and get offended when they are taken to task on it.
Yes he did. Thank goodness we had you to make things right. Read your own post and see if you both do not sound just a little childish. [V]