Does anyone know the completed foot print size of the Suydam Barton Flats Lumber Mill in HO scale? Thanks.
You might try contacting some of the folks who exchanged plans for this kit in this thread: http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/212936.aspx. Or you can e-mail your question to Alpine Scale Models. As noted in the referenced thread, they have plans for these kits.
Texas52,
I was probably the one that was in that thread, for I had the plans that someone needed. I sent them to a guy in St. Louis,Mo. He e-mailed me told me he got them, thanked me again and that’s the last time I heard from him. About the only thing I could tell you,is the mill itself is roughly 5’‘X10’‘inch’s that is the largest structure,it has a log flue going up to the second floor of the mill, from a log pond. All the other structures, burner, sawdust collector and other parts are really part of the whole foot print, it was designed for a log pond next to it. I’m guessing you could squeeze it all in roughly in a 12’‘x 18’’ or more foot print. I would try Maxman’s idea of getting in touch with Alpine, I know they still make that kit. As a side note, without the plans,that kit would be a nightmare to build. I had built mine as a module and sold it years ago, but kept the plans. Good Luck!
Frank
Frank, I did go to the Alpine site; the Barton Flats Mill is not listed-at least Ididn’t find it. However, I did send them an email. Thanks for the info…Randy
Thanks for the info!!!
Yes, I checked the website and didn’t see it listed. I also checked my 2012 Walthers catalog and didn’t see it there, either. I suspect Alpine hasn’t updated and released this old Suydam kit. They may know the footprint.
Generally, for any structure, the Walthers catalog is pretty good at listing the kit footprint. If someone has an older catalog that shows these models while still under the Suydam brand, it likely has the footprint listed…and I’ve now remembered where my old Walther’s catalogs were stored.
The 1980 catalog lists a “Sawmill Shed” (700-11) and gives the size as 4" x9". From the pic, that’s probably just the main shed and not the sawdust burner, etc arrayed around it. This appears to be an auxliary building to the main Barton Flats mill or perhaps to represent a smaller mill, though…
Checking further, in the 1980 catalog, there is a “Lumber Mill,” which in the 1984 catalog is listed as the Barton Flats Lumber Mill (700-15). It shows a footprint of 6" x 12" and shows the log lift from the pond sticking out further than that, I suspect.
That’s what I was trying to explain, there is only one main building for a foot print. The rest of the structures in that kit make up a small mill complex, to complete the scene and it is much larger than the other kit. All the components that make up the complex, were included in that kit, not just the building.
Frank
Texas52,
I just tried calling Alpine and it appears, they are closed for the holidays. Should you need the info, the contact is here:
http://www.alpinemodels.com/page/page/2753360.htm
Frank
Frank,
Just to be clear, there are two separate kits. The photo was cropped so close in the big Barton Flats Mill that I couldn’t tell if much beyond the log lift from the pond was included in that kit.
The smaller mill pic shows several other sub-structures clearly associated with that mill shown, so I presume they’re inlcuded with it.
In both cases, based on RR cars next to the structures, the indicated measurements seem to be for the main structure only and more space will be needed around them to model the out-buildings, etc as you indicated originally.
Together, the two kits would make a pretty extensive mill complex, but it appears they intended to work as stand-alone kits also.
Mike,
Yeah the original Photo of the kit, everything that was in the photo,was in the kit. The original did not have any Railroad equipment in it at all, the main building, burner, sawdust collector, log flue and other small out buildings were in that kit. At the time, in the mid 50’s it listed for 9.95. The main building was corrugated tin,that had to be soldered, no CA back then,stripwood,wire and cardstock made the whole complex, you had to make the pond. I just made mine into a static display. Wish I still had it, along with lights that I already had on it,with todays sound only decoders, probably could have had a working buzz saw. [:D] with smoke.
Frank