After seeing this posted by Sheldon it got me wondering.
100 locos (includes RDC’s, doodlebugs, B units, motor cars for unit train streamliners, etc)
80-90 passenger cars
500 freight cars
For the intended operational plan I figure I still need about 200-300 more freight cars, maybe another 10-20 passenger cars, and about 10 more locos - when someone makes what I need.
Now I am not asking how many cars or engines you have! But how many complete trains and cars will your track hold and still be ran?
For this post lets call a train a engine and at minimum 6 cars.
On my layout I can hold 6 trains from 10 to 30 cars with out fouling any of the mains. I can run 2 trains each on the 2 mains with around 40 cars each.Counting the mining company and spurs I can hold another 60 cars.
As I type I have a pair of Eire’s pulling 32 cars and Y6 B pulling 32 coal cars on the A line. On the B line I have 3 F 3’s dragging 27 cars. Then the Hudson is sitting with a 7 car train. M1 A is holding with 11 cars. E-7 with 8 passenger cars, Heavy Mike with 10 cars. with the small yard and what I have posted I have.
6 engines running 11 sitting and 62 cars sitting and 91 rolling. Right now the bench is pretty open, I could add maybe another 60 cars. But right now with the engines I have 170 total on the bench ready to go.
So how many trains can you have on the layout at the same time and still not play bumper train?
And how big of a bench does one need to use 1011 like Sheldon is looking for? My bench is 174 square foot, but not laid for a big yard.
By your rules, my layout can hold a maximum of 5 full length (8 to 10 car) trains and still be able to run trains from one end to the other. During normal operations however I’ll have four sets of rolling stock - two manifests CDWJ and WJCD, (these two trains share power and crew but not rolling stock), an intermodal train going by the symbols NAWJ and WJNA (the train turns around in staging and goes back the other way), and a local, LE-2.
NOT following your rules for train length but still taking up siding space, I also have yard job and local LE-1, and someday I hope to have a commuter train that runs back and forth and perhaps a dinner train.
Why is your train layout in your garage? Do you not have a basement? Reason I ask is most midwest people use the basement or spare room because of our cold winters.
My current layout which is under construction is designed for three trains. I could probably squeeze in another one or two, but won’t. This is a small temporary layout designed with sectional track for the purpose of allowing me to run trains and have a little operating fun. I expect to use about 24 freight and 2 passenger cars.
I expect to start the “big” one in a year or two after I finish the basement. My plans call for 2 freight trains, 2 passenger trains and 2 switchers to be operating at the same time. It will use about 8 locomotives (to allow the freights to be double headed), 100-120 freight cars, and 5-10 passenger cars. This layout will occupy about 950 sq ft of a 1300 sq ft basement.
If you mean running at the same time, about two. I’m a ‘lone wolf’ DC operator and that’s about all I can handle–but, and this is a BIG “But–” , I run on regular, not scale time, and in an ops session, about the most trains that would be running on my trans-Sierra mainline layout would be about one or two an hour. In other words, not more than 24 trains in a given ‘real’ 24 hour period.
However, I can hold several other trains in my yard and on one long passing track. The ‘house track’ at the Deer Creek passenger station can hold about an 8-car passenger train (about the longest I use), while the passing track at Wagon Wheel Gap can hold a 14 or 15 car freight, plus a 6-car stock train (Wagon Wheel Gap has a stock-yard). The Deer Creek yard is a 6-track ‘stub-end’ yard, but it can hold enough rolling stock for making up about two pretty hefty freights.
Summer project, if I can get it going, is a staging yard on the other side of my “California Basement” (garage) to hold at least four or five fairly full-length trains, so that I can possibly increase the number of trains run on the layout in any given ops session. But they will still have to stop in Deer Creek for either locomotive change-overs, or the addition of helpers.
And the engine terminal at Deer Creek holds about 6-7 of my big steam locomotives at any given session.
One. Single track mainline loop on a 4x8 doesnt allow for much (though I have triple headed some trains). I have 4 sidings that can hold about 5 cars each. Id be hesitant to call my piece of plywood with some track tacked down a layout… its really just a dcc proving ground and some place I can look at my models.
This summer I am going to try to build a slightly more interesting layout in sections so that it can be dismantled and stored when I am gone in the same (roughly) amount of space as the ole 4x8.
I really think that in answering this question that it be made absolutely clear whether the respondent is actually running the trains in some sort of meaningful “operations” fashion, or simple piling car/trains on to the layout to occupy space…there is a world of difference between the two situations and the number of cars and trains that can be usefully involved.
My layout is 32 sq. ft. (4x8 sheet o ply). If I really wanted to I could have one train running with 5 or 6 trains stored, depending on if there’s one on the yard lead.
In terms of my operations though, one train at a time, three or four locos total, not sure how many cars; maybe 50-ish(?). all freight, though someday I hope to get a commuter train with one engine and two cars running.
For THIS post, I’m using the Peter Josserand (Rights of Trains) definition:
Train: a locomotive (or locomotives) with or without cars, showing markers.
The reason is that I have an entire railroad where the average train will never have six cars, and quite a few schedules covered by ‘trains’ of two EMU or DMU. Each has its timetable slot and its allotted place in staging, requires a dedicated ‘crew’ and in all other ways fills the definition stated above.
That said, I can handle:
16 JNR freight trains (12 to 20 cars - just like my prototype.)
10 JNR passenger trains (up to 7 cars plus locomotive(s) but mostly shorter.
4 unit coal trains (2 loaded, 2 empty.)
4 miscellaneous trains on the Tomikawa Tani Tetsudo - ranging from a 4-wheel diesel railbus to 4 freight wagons and a passenger car (surrounded by 3 teakettle tank locos)
That does not include yard switchers or helpers drifting downgrade by themselves. Nor does it count the half-dozen or so locos at the engine change point awaiting assignment.
Specifically EXCLUDED are a dozen trains stored ready to operate in cassettes, held off the layout so the anhydrous ammonia car, the four-truck machinery flat and the string of super-high-speed cars behind the brand-new DE10 don’t appear too often. Also cassetted off-layout are the snowplow and the wreck train.
So, which train runs when? Just consult the timetable.
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - TTTO, 24/30)
Well, by your definition of locomotive and 6 cars, may layout can hold 0 trains. Operationally I run two – passenger service is holding on by a gas-electric, while my daily except Sunday freight turn is 3-4 cars.
Well the standard answer is of course not enough or shall I say never enough. If you meaning running trains at one time When completed the basement layout will be able to run 4 trains at the same time with another 5 sitting in staging and 7 or 8 in hidden staging in another room. These are not including trains that could be made up by using various locomotives and rolling stock in various yards through out the layout. Being that I am not a big time operator and don’t plan on having any op session until we build the big railroad in the out building some day when we hit the lottery. So operating mostly by myself I would say three trains running should keep me running around like a chicken with it’s head cut off.
If you wanted to just fill yard spaces with trains and locomotives I don’t own enough to fill all the space I will eventually have and thats ok with me. I’m starting to realize unless you have a really big layout less is more.
I can run two trains of about 10 cars at once. While these are running I can switch out two separate areas of just 2-4 cars. However, one of these areas will interfere with the running the mainline unconditionally. Something has to stop. I generally put one on the mainline and let it go. Then run the another one across it and through part of it while the first is on the other side. All DC right now so its pretty hands on button pushing.
I’m not sure how many trains my layout can hold, but as others have indicated, it is a more interesting question to ask how many trains can you run at one time.
I have a DCC powered double mainline and I operate it by myself. My limit is 4 trains, 2 per track, without creating total havoc.
Actually Driline you are wrong about that assumption. I have around 100 cars off the bench so I can run the trains I mentioned. Which is one of the reasons I asked this question.
Couple of years ago my layout was clutter with rolling stock. I added 47 feet of track with the K-10 mining section being added to the A line. Plus in the last 2 months I added 30 feet to the main layout so I can park whole trains, throw a turnout and take them on to one of the mains.
By my self I can run 4 trains with 2 on each main. With another operator and throttle 2 more trains could be ran. Plus some switching could be done.
Reason my layout is in the garage? Not all Midwestern houses have basements. Besides, my garage has heat, A/C, computer, and stereo system, its my Man Cave.
This is a fair comment, but CNJ831, you seem to make a lot of assumptions about what others do with their model trains.
I know many modelers who are very interested in prototype operation and have designed their layouts around VERY SPECIFIC operational goals, not just picked a plan out of a book or built a bench around the room.
In my case I have made no attempt to model the “beginning” or “end” of the “run” of each scheduled train. My layout is designed around several specific concepts:
Model each major element only once - at least visually - one big yard, one passenger terminal, one engine terminal, one (ok two) industrial areas, one coal mine, etc, etc.
Trains “appear” onto the scene, run through part of it, reach the “citiy”, which is a division point with a big yard. Some end there, some just get power changes , some run through, some originate there. Than they proceed through the rest of the scenic portion and return to the “off stage” stagging areas.
In the stagging area the mainline is connected to allow continious running and to allow east bound trains to become west bound and vis versa. Trains can also be turned in the stagging to return from the way they left.
This may not be your idea of operation, but in my view it is the best way to simulate the operations of a large railroad with nearly prototype length trains - not Northerns pulling 12 cars - that looks silly to me (no offense to those of you who do that).
So being able to “park” 20 trains “off stage” is an
I think that what you are trying to say is either:
a) How many trains will be on your visible layout (ie not in hidden staging) at the same time, during normal operations?
or
b) How many trains will you run in the course of an operating session - this includes trains in staging.
One way of comparing the operating potential of different layouts is using the statistics that Roy Dohn originally came up with, described by Joe Fugate on his Siskiyou layout web site: