@richhotrain …I read a thread of yours from a few years ago and it sounded like you had tracked down plans for the LAUPT. I want to model it in O scale (I will have to make certain limitations for space) and wondered if you would be willing to share any plans you have with me. My niece’s boyfriend has offered to craft it on his 3d printer if I can get some plans.
Thanks in advance, Roy
Have you seen the June 2018 issue of MRH magazine?
Here is a link to that older thread.
Not really much help though on the scale plans for the terminal itself.
The June, 2018 issue of MRH is also interesting but, again, of no help with the scale plans for the station itself.
It will require a scratch build, and it will be relatively massive in O gauge.
I did do quite a bit of research back in 2020, but I have yet to build LAUPT, although I am still planning to do so.
I do have some scale drawings that I made, tucked away somewhere. I will try to find them. Of course, I model in HO scale, so you would need to essentially double the measurements to arrive at O gauge.
Rich
Just kidding, Allied Models near Los Angeles was once housed in a building one-fifth the size of LAUPT. There was a three-page article about the store in the Nov. 1990 issue of MR magazine.
There’s another escape track at LAUPT but it isn’t used very often, to the relief of the folks on the sidewalk below:
LAUPT_19-L by Edmund, on Flickr
Always check your air!
LAUPT floor plan by Edmund, on Flickr
Proposed:
LAUPT_1920_Track by Edmund, on Flickr
Cheers, Ed
This photo was taken in 1950 by steam locomotive design engineer Yoshikiyo Fukushima. Quoted from the 1951 issue of “Streamliners”
The OP is looking for scale drawings of the terminal, not photos.
Doesn’t that book contain the elevations the OP wants? If so, he could buy the HO-scale Walthers kit on an online auction and measure the dimensions. It’s expensive, but if he sells it for a little less when he’s done with it, the cost will be minimal.
LOL, sure, but easier said than done. Check the prices on those listings. Actually, Walthers lists rough dimensions on its website. A lot cheaper approach.
Rich
Rich, if that’s the case, then there are no obstacles in front of him. Don’t ask for the information here. By the way, has your own project progressed from 4 years ago? And could you scrachbuild your own to the level of the Walthers kit in a week? That kit would cost less than a week’s wages.
Well, I believe that he is asking me if I can supply the dimensions or lead him to a source that can. I mentioned the Walthers website because they give the dimensions of the HO scale kit. That would be a starting point. When I drew up my plans, I used that “footprint” as the starting point and then drew some scale plans to assist me in building an HO scale replica of the prototype.
My own project has not progressed to the point of scratch building a scale model. Life has gotten in the way. LOL.
Rich
Thanks Rich for your replies. YES, it is the dimensions/elevations I need to then try to scale something for my layout. I think I will try to buy the book mentioned in this tread and elsewhere. I already know I do not have the real estate for a complete replica but getting the tower and main building would be a start. If you do come across your plans and wouldn’t mind sharing I would be very grateful.
@BN7150: Curious why you would say “Don’t ask for information here”…isn’t one of the forum’s purpose to connect modelers who have questions, (i.e. ask for help), with other more experienced modelers? Sounds like I offended you. Perhaps it’s because I mentioned O scale? I have unfortunately run into more than a few HO modelers who think O scale is only toy trains. Of course my scale model of a Daylight GS2 would beg to differ but that’s another story.
BigMac1, the reason I wrote “Don’t ask for information here” is because there was plenty of information presented in the thread from four years ago. That’s why you haven’t gotten any new information from this thread, right? Rich is trying to draw elevations using information from four years ago, so I was wondering why you wouldn’t try the same thing.
By the way, I’m also an O-scale collector. I especially love the streamliners.
I found my primary drawing, but I still need to look for my more detailed drawings. But, here are the basic dimensions which do differ a bit from the Walthers Cornerstone Footprint.
The building is an irregular shape in terms of various heights, widths and depths. But the overall maximums in HO scale are 57” wide, 16” deep and 16” high.
That translates to the prototype of 413’ wide, 116’ deep and 116’ high.
I snapped a photo of my primary drawing.
1/4”:1”
Rich
Fair enough BN…I was really hoping Rich would share what he has done and he has already shared some. Thanks again @richhotrain. BN, Nice collection BTW. I’m modeling the transition era so I can get a couple of early diesels involved but mostly I plan to to stick to steam, and like you I’m fond of all the art deco/streamliner variations.
One reason that I haven’t moved forward with the scratch building project is that LAUPT is immense. 57” wide in HO scale, Sure, there is selective compression , but where is the fun in that?
114” in O scale!
Rich
Rich, Thanks too for the measurements…this helps so much but at the same time it is depressing. O scale version is 8 feet x 2.5 feet tall and 2.5 depth! I could only wish I had that much space… I will have to take some “scale” liberties…I might ultimately do something like 4 feet wide 20"h x 16"d…anyway this has been a big help!
It is depressing. Those three big windows in the front each measure 36.25 feet high and 14.5 feet wide on the actual terminal. In HO scale, that converts to windows that are 5” high and 2” wide.
Rich
Even Walthers scaled down its HO scale model.
Rich
Here are a few links I found at the Library of Congress.
This is the text of the Historic American Buildings Survey nomination for LAUPT: Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal, 800 North Alameda Street, Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, CA | Library of Congress
Here are 60 images: Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal, Tracks & Shed, 800 North Alameda Street, Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, CA | Library of Congress
Here’s another link to the LA Library syste\m’s collection of Sanborn Fire Insurance maps, which contain those for LAUPT: Sanborn Fire Insurance Atlases | Los Angeles Public Library
Finally, here’s another link to some graphic images of the station and its environs: https://itoldya420.getarchive.net/amp/media/los-angeles-union-passenger-terminal-tracks-and-shed-800-north-alameda-street-56
Hope this is of some use.
