Hellow, I have just finally got my T-1 duplex, I was just wondering if any one know were I can get some info on what the typical consist of cars that the PRR used on their broadway limited, Any help would be apreaciated.
There are several books just on the Broadway and many on PRR passenger trains. Any good book dealer can get more than you can afford to buy. Karen’s books, Ron’s and several others have ads in RR magazines.
Congratulations on your T1 Duplex. Those things are getting hard to come by these days.
There is a thread somewhere in the forums that had one of these racing a NYC Hudson and talk of a Broadway Limited Consist to go with it. I will hunt for it and see if I can find it.
Hello caseyjones,
I don’t know how to load pictures yet, but what you see on the left of my post is the Broadway limited Diner train with only an A unit. This train however is supposedly owned by a group of investors and is parked at Riverfront Park, First Street Nashville, TN. The picture shows it rounding a curve near Brentwood, TN. Since this is owned by investors perhaps THE Railroad may have used another A or a B unit. In just thought you’d appreciate the picture. My wife and I were walking around it an a custodian who looks after it let us roam through the train from one end to the other. It was a great experience. If you’ve got enough bucks you can rent if for a party. Be sure to send me an invitation.
Bob
Where did I get the caseyjones ID??? Sorry about that.
Bob
Im not a PRR expert but alot of the T-1’s ended up running secondary trains. I choose to model The General and made it secondary which allowed me to use heavyweights and some streamlined as they could be spared, i also added some express mail on the front, its not a completely accurate train but you get the idea when you look at it.
A T1 would be great with the Lowey 2-tone Fleet of Modernism scheme, which I believe lasted until 1948 or so. The equipment from the pre-1948 Broadway is offered by Centralia Car Shops.
Dave - while Centralia do produce many of the Pullman cars for the Broadway Limited, unfortunately they only produce them in N scale! In HO the I believe the only 1938 Broadway Limited cars (outside of brass) that are available are the B70 kit from Bethlehem Car Works and the now out of production and difficult to find 4-4-2 lightweight “Fleet of Modernism” Pullman from Walthers.
For everything else, you would have to use sides such as the Union Station Products styrene sides on a core kit, and the diners are just unavailable outside brass.
There are rumours that Broadway Limited Imports are going to produce a '38 Broadway Limited consist in the next year or two.
You’re kidding me… You mean to tell me that there’s an instance where there’s something in N scale Pennsy that’s not offered by 4 manufacturers in HO? [:O]
Is the planet still spinning counter-clockwise?
You’re in luck as 4 of the cars (sort of) used on the post-WWII Broadway are (or were) available in plastic. Rivarossi’s s/l bagg/rpo, Pullman (10 rmt 6 BR) amd blunt end observatioin cars are all models of Bdwy cars. Rivarossi also make a model of a PRR 12 BR staggered window Brook series sleeper, but it’s a model of a pre-WWII car. The broadway ran w/ 2 similar cars in the post-WWII Creek series (the difference was the vestibule was on the opposite end and they used different trucks). W/ 4 of the Pullmans and a couple of the staggered window cars plus the obs and rpo you’ve for a good start. For the remainder of the train you’d need a 2 unit diner (kitchen and crew dorm in one car, dining in the other), a mid train (next to the 2 unit diner) sleeper/lounge, some 4 rmt 4 BR 2 cmpt and some 21 rmt cars to fill out an accurate consist. Walthers makes the 442 cars but they’re a pre-WWII prototype and you’ll want to be sure and get a smooth side rather than corrugated (I think Walthers makes both). The Walthers catalog no longer shows the Rivarossi 1930s cars but they’re generally to be found at swap meets.
All of which might be irrelevant since, as noted above, by the 1950’s (the time frame for which your model of the T-1 is detailed), they were run on secondary trains. If you’re not heart-set on the Broadway, this actually simplifies your job, since plastic mdels of the PRR B-60 baggage cars and PRR express reefers are available from Walthers as are heavywieght Pullmans (also from Branchline in the 2 tone Lowey scheme) and Bachman makes the ubiquitous P-70 coach, a bagg/coach and diner in heavywieght.
Rumors? What rumors?
Well, to put it briefly, I slipped a question about the '38 Broadway Limited consist into some other correspondence with BLI, and they said “We hope to be able to model the Broadway Limited…in the future”. This website backs that up: http://merchandise.pennsyrr.com/ms_future.html
It would make sense, as most of the cars are largely similar to the 20th Century Limited that’s reportedly coming out in the next 12 months - the differences being some different window arrangements, plus the heavyweight head end cars and diner.
The Walthers version is supposedly the '48 consist (so no nice FoM scheme!).
Not from where Mark Newton is standing.[:o)]
Hmm.
My avatar has a picture of this legendary almost daily race.
My Dad and Uncle both worked on the Pennsy years ago when I was very young and I rode on the Broadway Limited at Christmas time and we ran alongside the New York Century limited for awhile.
The picture is by artist Martin Milner.
Titled “Steel, Steam and Thunder”
Location is Englewood Illinois where the tracks ran alongside each other.
The Broadway Limited offered service between Chicago and New York, as well as the New York Century Limited.
The Broadway Limited ran through my hometown of Ft Wayne Indiana.
It also stopped there occasionally at the Baker street staion.
The tracks ran alongside US highway 30 for a good distance out of and into Ft Wayne, all the way over to Crestline Ohio, which was big rail center years ago.
They are still there, but various other railroads use them now.
However various steam engines and later diesels pulled these famous trains.
TheK4Kid
Maybe I had better explain that remark…if it is necessary… I don’t mean to patronize…?..
Anyway, if an observer looks down from the north pole and watches the Earth spin under her, she will note that it spins counter-clockwise from her point of reference. Someone poised above the south pole would see the Earth spinning clockwise. Ergo, Mark down under…?
Okay, I guess you had to be there.
All I know is that the world goes around and… the sun comes up one way and drops the other every day. There are places out west where you can sit for an hour or two 100+ miles from anything man made and the stars are in the thousands making thier travels around the sky.
If there is indeed a Broadway Limited set suitable for the T1 Duplex in the pipeline, I would think that we will hear something in the future. The manufacters are having a good run at keeping secrets I would think.
Another part of the webpage indicated that Proto was out to measure the PRR L1 at the PRR Museum. That to me is a pretty strong indication that a QSI model of this Mike might be in the works.
I saw that too about the L1s. A loco I’ve been interested in for a while, and I nearly fell off my chair when I saw we are probably going to get one! This is a great time for Pennsy modelers! The only big shortage I see at the moment is diners - the D78 being the only model available in plastic or kit form.
According to Walthers - “Presently we have no schedule for the PRR L1’s. Also the [1948] Braodway Limited is something we are looking at. There has been no decision yet. Please watch our website for future announcements.”
If someone has to make the BL set I would prefer it to either Rapido or BLI. Walthers is pretty good as well.
If the information is correct, BLI are looking at doing the 1938 Broadway with the round ended observation, the the heavyweight diner and head end cars in the “Fleet of Modernism” two tone Tuscan, whereas the Walthers version would be the 1948 version with the twin unit diners and blunt ended observation, in the tuscan red with buff lettering and stripes.