I don’t think that they would be bearing walls. The hall walls are. The window wall is an outside wall. So I could have a pro look at it and let me know for sure. But if he says I can knock them down I will for sure.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about load bearing walls, but being interior walls that simply separate the closets from the hall and the main room, they are probably not load bearing.
The reason I ask about removing the walls, of course, is to give you access. One possibility might be to modify the walls instead of totally eliminating them. For example, if the walls were simply cut down to form 42" or 48" high walls, you could build the layout inside the closet spaces and be able to access the layout from within the main room.
If you are considering HO scale, you can run a continous loop or dogbone layout with sidings and other interesting track work with 22" radius curves.
You will gets lots of feedback over the weekend so get ready for some critique.
That closet door is unfortunate. Builders have this quaint notion that people want bed rooms with closet space, and never consider that someone might want to build a model railroad in there.
If all you do is remove the wall between the closets you can negate the need for the closet door, and you would be left with a large closet from the hall and a room the size you have shown.
Removing both closets is a plan, but maybe the next people to buy the house would rather have a bedroom with a closet. Silly people!
LION raises a good point about removing the closets only to find that the eventual buyer wants closets.
That is why I am suggesting that you may want to consider leaving the walls partially in place, maybe 42" or 48" high so that they can be easily rebuilt. For that matter, you could leave a portion of the walls up near the ceiling in place, sort of like a soffit.
folding doors might be a solution. Between the two closets you could place a normal door.
BTW both Lance Mindheim and the Model Railroader staff have published loads of plans for room sized layouts. Lots of then in 12 x 11 range. W Allen McClelland’s Muddelty Creek branch (Model Railroad Planning 1996) modeling Virginia coal country is one of them.
I like the 11’x12’ main room. One good use of the inside closet is to make a hole in the doorway (or remove the door),to allow trains to disappear into that room for a large storage yard. A door might be made to connect the two closets, so that one would have access to both from the hallway. Have you decided on a major industry? I use my peninsula in the center of my 24’x24’ HO layout for a town a harbor, and a steel mill complex. Have you considered a harbor. The first photo shows a portion of one of my harbors. The second photo shows the two Hulett unloaders and the ore boat being unloaded in the same harbor. I like the steel industry since it is railroad intensive, with limestone quarry, coke and gas complex, and iron ore mine. I,also, have a large stockyard and meat packing plant, alog with spurs to various other industries. My layout was built in four phases over 8 years. I had my final plan in mind and installed dead electrically operated turnouts, and separated the DCC layout into five power districts, that can be operated independently. Plan on if and where ravines, rivers and roads will be located. Go for DCC from the beginning. Go for Radio Controlled, if you can afford it. I cut two deep ravines with cascading rivers, and laid out roads that disappear supposedly on curves into the 7"x11" SceniKing panorama around the four wall of my layout (with an inside stairway) on a lift out or hinged entry to your layout from the hallway. Bob Hahn
True, but the real problem is still that door. You have to have access to it. And that limits the possibilities of the room. If you place even just a door between the two closets, you can ignore the door that is in the room, Trains can pass through the wall to access the closets for either staging or for other elements of the layout. When you move, you need only patch two mouse holes and let the new owners ponder over the reason for the mystery door.
i was thinking remove the wall between the closets…remove the door of the top closet to gain acces to the area & just simple close the door of the other closet leading to the hall
Then put a staging yard down the right wall of the area, with the tunnel being at the “top left” of the closet
I am going to suggest keeping the rooms, walls and doors as is, EXCEPT cutting tunnels through walls. It would be relatively easy to restore space to “normal” (ie. dull, non-railroady) uses with a little sheetrock patch and drywall compound.
Now I am going to try to draw some ideas… (Hey, I LIKE planning. Easier than laying and trouble-shooting track…)
I think leighant is on the right track here. That or take down just the wall between the closets, too, which I think is even better. One big closet for the next occupant, one big staging yard for you. dbduck’s plan is a good start, except I’d make it run through.
The room entrance door isn’t ideal, but you still have to enter the room somewhere, right?..[:P]
It’s too bad that the closet width is only 4’ as it would’ve been nice to fit a helix in one. But that brings up one reason to simply take the closets out. With a helix in the one closet catty-cornered from the entrance door, you could extend “waterwing” dog-bones in each direction. Stack up two or three levels and you’ve got a lot of space to run in and would be able to keep it all walk-in, except the helix of course.
The room is probably just big enough if made into one big room for a “no-lix” version, too, if you don’t mind sticking with short trains, as the grades would probably be pretty steep to make that work.
But those are long-term projects. If there’s the chance of moving, I’d stay with single level and use the existing closet space for staging as the easiest to move and quickest to patch up for the next occupants.
Here is my analysis of an HO continous route with 24" radius curves that will accomodate much equipment- some passengers cars, etc. No duckunders, liftbridges, etc. needed- inly “sepcial” construction would be some tunnel holes through walls, which can be tunnels, underpasses, etc.
I laid out a folded dogbone continuous route mainline with 24" radius curves. The green is an alternate route that allows some space in the middle of a wide section of shelf for structures, industries, etc. You can add industry spurs which will handle only a few cars and a switcher with 18 inch radius.
Note that you can easily follow a train around almost the entire circuit, including through the closet at top right of the plan. The exception is the short length through the closet at lower right. For the operator in the main room and attached closet, that short disappearance might represent a trip through a long tunnel. The short piece in the lower right room might be scenicked as a completely different place as a vignette viewing scene for railfans to see an occasional train pass. It would give you a chance to model an unusual scene you might not to use on the layout as a whole-- a snow scene, a desert scene, etc.
Where to put a yard? Perhaps across straightaway across top of plan.
Staging? A couple of deadend spurs might accomodate trains about 6 feet long to back either in or out in the lower right room, along the right hand wall. There is not room for them to enter forward, turn around and exit forward.
If the railroad is set at shoulder-high elevation (about 5 foot for me), the short section through lower right room can be on a narrow shelf that leaves 90% of the room open for ovther shelves and storage. Slightly less is up