They are the July 2002 and October 2002 issues where articles are written
detailing the portions of the Grand Valley Layout Kit build. Does anyone
have copies of said issues and if so, would you be able to scan the articles and send to me? I’d like to compare how this particular person did these stages of the build compared to the instructions.
thks.
timmer have you tried to contact the publisher for these articles? many still have back issues and photocopies on hand.
tom
yes i did. Would cost me $8 (and time) to get them. Would rather have just those particular articles and prefer them in a day or two before I resume my build.
Ahem! Some of us, in a sense, PAID for those articles to be published by buying the magazine you know.
Before you scan the articles for Thetimmer … your Miranda rights:
“You have the right to an attorney, you have the right to remain silent …”
Dave Nelson
nevermind. I’ll just purchase the *** issues and cancel my trial subscription. thought I would be able to get a different perspective on how the layout is built without having to fork over MORE money and time waiting for delivery.
Poor dude asks for help and all he gets is the finger. If I had the issues I would scan them for him. This site is going downhill, fast. Thetimmer, not everbody here is like that.
all i did was offer an alternative. I’m not famaliar with MRN whatever that is.
sorry if i upset ya timmer
tom
You might the local library, they likely have the issues your looking for and you could photo copy them. I dont have the issues since my subscription started in Dec 05
I would say society “is going downhill fast” when people try to obtain items online that they did not pay for, and that are charged for by the publisher. It would be one thing if the magazine was out of print, or he just wanted the gist of the article. I happen to agree that those who paid should retain the printed material. Most blueprints in the magazines even state “this is to be used for the purchaser only.”
Benjamin Maggi
Albany Law School Student - 2L
I would say it’s even equal of an outrage when a publisher spreads an article across 8-12 issues, forcing people to buy each and every issue just to complete a project like mine. Also, thank GOD I’m doing this now and not in 2002 when it would’ve taken me 8-12 months to build the layout.
Now, I’m forced to find a library that has said issues because I’ve already sunk considerable money on this already.
thks for your legal opinion.
Timmer,
I scan articles for people all the time. I don’t know about the legality of it, nor do I care. Back issues to me are reference material, just like at the library. If you went to a library, found an article and made a photocopy, would you be breaking the law? Would the library be breaking a law by allowing you to photocopy something? I don’t think so.
The statement “blueprints in the magazines even state “this is to be used for the purchaser only.”” that Ben points out is slightly mis-quoted. Most of the statements are that photocopies may be made for NON-COMMERCIAL use. That means that you can photocopy to your hearts content as long as you don’t SELL the photocopies.
My scanner was not operating, so I didn’t offer to make the copies. But I was inspired by your request to get a new power supply for it and it is working now. Unfortunately, I mis-read your question and I thought you were talking about MR magazine, not MRN. I don’t have back issues of MRN, so I won’t be able to help you.
I have a fairly large collection of MR, RMC dating back through the 1980’s and almost all issues of N Scale, and N Scale Railroading. I am always willing and happy to help a fellow modeler in need.
I can’t help you with your request, but I thank you for getting me off my butt and getting what I needed for my scanner. Probably wouln’t have done it so quickly otherwise!
Darrell, like a thief in the night, and quiet…for now
Hmm. Arguements for both sides of this one. If I were Union Pacific (I hope just writing the name isn’t a legal issue[:D]), I’d be looking to sue somebody over the origin of the object of this discussion.[;)][:D]
To wit:
and furthermore:
licensing agreement, anyone?
Wayne
I can help you.
Consult Railpub’s website. They’ll be happy to sell back issues of many model and prototype magazines, including those out of print. Distributing copies of an article, even for free, is a violation of the “fair use” of copyrighted materials. You may make copies of articles for your own use, but you may not provide copies to others without compensating the publisher, or whoever holds the copyright.
If you don’t believe that what you’re asking is actually illegal, AND actionable, ask the people who were sued by the music industry for downloading songs from the internet a few years ago.
And it’s probably not very bright to be asking this on a free forum provided by a magazine publisher.
-Ed
Strictly speaking copying magazine articles are a violation of the copyright law.
“Copyright is violated whether or not you charged money in your reuse or duplication of copyrighted works. In other words, you’ll be liable even if you didn’t profit a cent from reuse or copying of a stock photo, cartoon, piece of clip art, illustration or magazine article without permission or a license to do so. And while placing proper attribution on a work is laudable, it doesn’t protect you from liability.”
The quote is off of this site that I googled: http://www.3m.com/meetingnetwork/presentations/pmag_copyright_criminal.html
Someone mentioned libraries and the fact that you can make copies there, the copyright law addresses that too.
"(a) Except as otherwise provided in this title and notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement of copyright for a library or archives, or any of its employees acting within the scope of their employment, to reproduce no more than one copy or phonorecord of a work, except as provided in subsections (b) and (c), or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions specified by this section, if —
(1) the reproduction or distribution is made without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage;
(2) the collections of the library or archives are (i) open to the public, or (ii) available not only to researchers affiliated with the library or archives or with the institution of which it is a part, but also to other persons doing research in a specialized field; and
(3) the reproduction or distribution of the work includes a notice of copyright that appears on the copy or phonorecord that is reproduced under the provisions of this section, or includes a legend stating that the work may be protected by copyright if no such notice can be found on the copy or phonorecord that is reproduced under the provisions of this section."
That is from: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1
This rediculous thread just cracks me up. A guy asks if anybody has an article that someone can scan for him. Not a big deal in my opinion and millions of people do this everyday. Nobody is making money. The moral police jump in and say “NO, THATS AGAINST THE LAW”. “YOUR VIOLATING COPYRIGHT LAWS”. Its a good thing Union Pacific didn’t own the article, I bet poor old Timmer would be flooded with copies, just so people could stick it to the UP. Next time you guys share a newspaper at work or loan a magazine to one of your train club buddies just remember, you might be breaking the law, lol. I quit playing golf because I was fed up with listening to a bunch of old men who dressed funny complain all the time about the “rules”. Now I’m thinking model railroading is somewhat like that, a bunch of old men who dress funny that complain all the time about the “rules”. Timmer just wanted an article to help him finish a project. If Aggro Jones, Joe Fugate or Spacemouse wanted it I wonder how many offers THEY would have gotten.
I agree that one or two photocopies of an old magazine article is not a huge moral issue. It is however technically breaking copyright laws.
Sharing a newspaper or magazine is not because you are not making a copy of it, two people are using the same copy. Its not illegal for two people to use the same computer but if you install all that computers software on a second computer then it is illegal.
It is a little much to jump a guy because he wants one copy of an article even if it is illegal. Its like going 5 mph over the speed limit, technically illegal but not a huge deal.
Bryan
If you LOAN copies to your friends and they read them, there is nothing illegal about that. In fact, since it is your proprty obtained legall,y you can control who possesses it all you want.
Even bigger though, “next time you hear” people complaining about the prices of modeling magazines, just realize that it might be lower if they had more subscribers, or had less legal battles to fight.
And lastly, “one or two” can add up real fast when everyone is doing it. It also doesn’t make it right just because everyone does it.
I’m not sure so I’d refer to him as “poor dude.” After all he (A) was asking people to break the law and (B) expecting the help immediately.
And I know, making copies of magazine articles doesn’t seem like a big deal, but try to remember that you’re using a publishing company’s Web site to ask for assistance in doing so. Not only is it against the law, you’re using our Web site to do it. Think about it.
Bergie