Is it just me or is there a lot of dis-like/hatred for Union Pacific. If so, WHY?!
well people must hate them[:0] 10 brand new engines at their yard were broken into and had graffiti all over them [:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
I think that UP’s dealings with Lionel and other model companies have created ill will. Also, UP suffers from the “Wal-Mart Syndrome”. They’re ever present (at least in the Mid-West/West) and they are viewed as big and boring. As a railfan, I wi***hey weren’t so “omnipresent” but as an American capitalist, I see them as a success story.
I don’t dislike the UP any more than I dislike any of the other class one RR’s. With their heavy handed approach to policy , disapline, and squeezing profits out at the expense of the employees. Hiring incompetant managers with all kinds of usless degrees and getting NEW ways of running a railroad crammed down your throats. It is apparent that the big RRs don’t give a damn about the ordinary RR worker, the execs are too busy patting themselves and eachother on the backs.
Randy
Well put Randy.The great big yellow blob eating everything in its path.BNSF went through the same thing(still is in some places)when it took over the Santa Fe.But UP is a like it or hate it kinda place.Almost like the Pennsy in days past.I have heard people say shortlines dont hire just anybody,well my friends then UP is an awful shortline.I have had guys come to my little regional class II that said UP wanted nothing to do with them and some of them have experience!It seems UP wants to pick and choose and take three months to decide whether to hire someone or not even though they female dog "Our railroad is melting down we need people!"I dont get it. I think the lawsuit is a diversion.Let everyone focus on something else instead of their drop in average mph and rise in times between crews.I tell you what it is a stupid lawsuit and am curious when they start to claim domain over any line they have merged into them as well.
Whenevr UP “merges” with another railroad, that road dissapears completly and the only thing left is a bigger UP.[:(!]
That’s just life.
I personally have nothing against UP…CN on the other hand! [censored]
Amen to that!!! (CN Sucks, NS too) But I do understand where espeefoamer, route_rock, Randy Stahl, OldArmy94, are coming from. But I have a feeling all Class one’s are like that (just guessing).
There is nothing wrong with Union Pacific, but what they are doing to the model railroad manufactures is annoying.
I like Union Pacific, their TURBINES were the best!
[8]TrainFreak409[8]
I don’t hate UP… I hate that railraod with the yellow locomotives that kills all the cool railraods.
I didn’t know CN had yellow loco’s…[:-,]
Darn,all this time I thought;
IT WAS BLACK/RED,ZEBRA STRIPES&WET NOODLES![:D][}:)]
Me too. I miss the “old”(pre1982) UP. Back in the 60s and 70s UP was an interesting railroad,with Turbines,DD35s,both As and Bs,U50s both B-B and C,and Centenials.
The City fleet of domeliners were beautiful trains.[:)]
I’m not a big fan of Cn either-
they could use another paint scheme.
I think they should adopt the WC paint
Randy
I know a young guy who had a chance to work for the UP but turned it down because he knows an old guy who used to work for the UP and all of his complaints about working for the UP and that’s a shame.
If I could work for the railroad I would do so gladly, but I have kidney failure, and even though I am young (35), I know that for me this is not a reality. Before I had kidney failure, I was a diesel mechanic on marine and power generation engines. So many other guys that I went to school with were holding out for the money, I knew as long as I was out there every day pushing iron the money would come and I never had trouble finding work.
That same old guy I mentioned says the young guys that he worked with adopted a screw it attitude very quickly because of the way management treated everyone. The collective concious of the poeple in a company is a microculture. Problems of moral and comunications become self perpetuating, and that’s a shame. Maybe in time it will get better, until then keep the lights on and the wheels turning.
As for the lawsuite, somebody has too much time on their hands.
I have worked in an around a number of terminals over a larger number of years.
The employees of Termina A that were lousy employees , 30 years ago are still lousy today, despite the fact that very few if any of the employees for 30 years ago are still there; however, the current employees were trained and indoctrinated by the old employees. They were taubht the same bad habits and attitudes by the old heads and have adopted them as their working norm
UP has been very ‘heavy handed’ in their dealings with their employees and everyone else they have a business relationship with. Some of the heavy handedness is necessary, more of it is not. People, both employees and customers, resent the regal heavy handded tactics and bad mouth UP.
UP sounds like they are having very similar problems as CN has been having since privtization, there doesn’t seem to be a sinlge happy RTE working for CN.
UP has its detractors and a lot of people are mad at them now (again) over issues ranging from poor service to suing model makers over trademarks. See thread on NYT article too.
LC
If your reason for not liking the UP is because they “gobbled” up your favorite fallen flag, maybe you should be asking just how/why your favorite RR let itself be gobbled up?