There is a Precision Scale NP Q-4 4-6-2 up for grabs on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-scale-N-P-4-6-2-Pacific-New-2008-/301313402809?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4627ada7b9
And a steal at only $950.
Not to mention a Q-1: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-W-R-NP-4-6-2-CLASS-Q-1-STANDARD-2129-F-P-PASSENGER-GRAY-/161398626865?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item25941b9a31
Not cheap.
Andre
At least with the Precision model the seller offers an oportunity to âmake an offerâ and perhaps buy the model for a little less money.
The Q1 is a huge price - perhaps here the sale of this model will be a major contribution to âuncle daveâsâ retirement plan;)
Dusty
I just wish someone would make a non-brass model of the big pig palace.
suprisingly N scale had those, or foobies of them. stock cars are a bit late for my timeframe so I havenât bought any.
My part in this conversation was not triggered by my feeling there is a lack of equipment for the N.P., yet the jist of what has been talked about here is exactly peoples persception that that was what I was talking about.
I was simply wondering why the N.P. appears to be so low down on peoples lists of railroads they will model.
Perhaps the reason this conversation has drifted off into discussions about the availability of models of NP prototypes is because your expectations of a definitive answer to your original question is almost impossible to provide. Several contributors to this discussion have stated that - have you not read these posts?
Let me put a question for you to consider because your answer to my question will apply equally to the NP. So here is my question: why is the Richmond, Fredricksburg & Potomac not high on peoples lists to model? If you can answer that then you have answered your own question relating to the NP.
Dusty
I can only guess, but it probably has to do with the percentage of people who were truly exposed to the N.P. enough to want to model it being fairly low on the national scale. As someone else commented, in the 1950âs and 1960âs (last 20 years of the RRâs independant existance), there were far more railroads in the U.S. so N.P. was one of many RRâs. Add to that itâs been 45 years since N.P. ceased to exist, so fewer of those still alive who experienced it first hand, and add to that the population it served was relatively few in the scheme of the whole country. Does that make sense?
I mean, sometimes I wonder why more people donât model the standard gauge D&RGW? Whats not to like? Spectacular scenery, bridge traffic including coal, intermodal, mixed freights, passenger trains etc. But I have to understand everyone usually needs a connection with the RR they prefer.
Well the RF&P just had a track plan published in MR, perhaps it was a smaller railroad(I honestly donât know anything about it). The thing is that we could play the why is X road modeled less than the Y road game all day, ending back up where we started each time. Perhaps there are more NP modelers out there, plenty of 'em in N on another forum I frequent(just as many in HO). Iâm up to 6 NP units myself two cabeese and a small portion of my fleet is NP cars.
RG5761 has a point though, I missed all four of the original BN roads by about 24 years but here I am modeling primarily the SP&S. To be fair though in my SP&S books GN units are ore common than NP ones(because of the Oregon trunk), I found this the other day while trying to get info on GNâs train âThe Western Starâ so I can start putting a proper representation of SP&S trains 1 & 2 together.
http://www.gngoat.org/gn-np.htm
The GN and NP did have a bitter rivalry, the SP&S was often a source of contention between the two because of the Oregon trunk(SP&S locos were stored serviceable while GN units were used, eventually the NP had this turned around) and the Scribner Turn(NP units
I have read and understood every response that has been given in this thread. The fact is my questions on why the N.P. is not very popular to model have been for the most part answered, answered enough that I really donât care if there are any better answers out there. It is what it is.
Iâm happy I modeled the N.P., the line is imporatnt to me, having grown up in itâs back yard.
As to your question, I really donât care much about the RF&P. Probably the fact that I donât care about it, might be an answer for you. [C=:-)]
And that is the most important thing. It is pretty cool that you get great pleasure from modeling your favorite railroad. [Y]
Rich
So really you knew the answer to your question all long when you originally asked it which makes its purpose somewhat pointless or at least unnessesery. So why then continue to belabor your dissatisfaction with the comments you have received to a question that was flawed in the first place.
Perhaps now you will be satisfied that you have answered your own question for yourself when you put succinctly that few people actually care that much, or at least not care enough, in the same way you do to model the NP.
But at least you have given those of us who did take the trouble to respond honestly & in good faith to your question the opportunity to help you out even though, as it appears now, that the answer was already known to you.
Dusty
Always on the attack. are we? Did I do something that you felt belittled you?
My questions were not asked under any types of false pretenses. You sir, would need to know far more about me than your capable of knowing to make the ascertions you have made.
NP2626 âŚ
I would like to thank you for starting the thread. It was a good thought starter and there were some interesting comments. Your orginal question had some thoughtful replies. It also inspired other good conversations.
Also, in my case, the thread inpsired me to work on some of my Northern Pacific models, and I worked on them in the past few days.
I would like to thank everyone who contributed their thoughts on my original question. Certainly, it is within the rights of anyone posting here to ask about the availability of any equipment; or comisserate on the lack of equipment for their chosen line(s). I was just commenting that this was not my original intent for the thread. I feel there is (has been)enough equipment available for Northern Pacific modelers, if they are willing to wait.
Again, Thanks!
Well after reading through this thread, I started to become interested. I found out that the NPR dipped its toes into Canada in a couple of places like Winnipeg, which happens to be my home town and I had family that worked for the Railroads in and around that city all through the steam era and beyond. I now have to pull out Grandpas photo albums and see if there are any NP photoâs in the mix. While he worked for CN, he took photoâs of many different RRâs rolling stock and steam engines that passed through.
I now live on the West Coast where NP also had a toe hold into Canada and where my layout is suppose to be more or less. So I think anything NP will now catch my eye at a trainshow or shop.
I also found NP photoâs on some of the Government online archives.
Itâs always good to learn something new.[:)][:)]
I donât feel belittled nor do I feel that what I wrote was an attack.
I made observations resulting from what I read in your posts. I found these perplexing and difficult to follow what looked to me like self contradictionery statements.I really donât need to know you or to have your personal aqaintence to be able to form an opinion from what you have written.
How & what people write here can often speak volumes about them. An example: from how I write it is easy to tell that I can be a pompous s.o.b. Not with standing that, I donât offen attack people who are othersise pretty hamless or at least have done me no harm.
In any event, i did enjoy reading the responses to your original post & learned much from them.
Dusty.
The NP did go into Canada! thatâs awesome, I guess the GN wasnât the only contender of the Hill lines in Canada.
My only motive in posting this thread was the hope of starting friendly discourse on the subject. While you donât feel your posts where a personal attack on my good name, I feel exactly quite the opposite! This statement by you: âfrom how I write it is easy to tell that I can be a pompous s.o.b.â(In your own words) explains this situation extremely well! If you donât like what I have to say; or, what I say, can I suggest that you donât read my threads; or, posts! There is no need for ill tempered and unfriendly comment here on Model Railroaderâs Forums!
One can only model so many things. NP dropped off my list of being my primary modeled road because:
The researching bit is the fun part to me, Always learning something about the hill lines. I plan on picking up the NP and GN through pass. service books, see if I can gather more tidbits.
Iâm deep in NP country so itâs only fair that I moodel it alongside the SP&S, my favorite locos from the NP were the F units, their Northerns and challengers were also very nice. the SP&S ones matched(except for the fact that SP&S locos burned oil instead of coal.)
the schemes were fantastic, also the SP&S hourglass scheme was close to NPâs Pine tree scheme. Plus this caboose helped me further along my fascination with N scale.
