Your lack of facts LC is overshadowed by your foam at the mouth loyalty to railroads. People short on facts are typically the fastest to resort to insults to attempt to support their incorrect positions.
Sorry for the typos previously, but the facts remain.
US rails load up on import intermodal volume and contribute to the pricing increases that help make US manufacturing less competitive.
Class one RR’s are doing many things (Excessive rate increases are just one) that cause shipper like me to despise them. I did not just cop an attitude one day on a whim, nor have many other shippers who feel the same way.
I imagine it would be OK if one of your suppliers misbilled you to the tune of 6 figures in their favor, asked you to straighten out theri billing failures and then only charged you 30 grand for a problem tehy created…that would be just fine with you as long it was a railroad right, so long as one is a foam at the mouth train buff, anything is fine and dandy and if you don’t like it, you just hate the trains and are a target to insult. Hard to imagine this scenario as if you were, say a contractor and Lowes did this to you you would switch to menards or home depot. When Lowes is the only game in town you are stuck. Just one example of how class one’s treat shippers like trash because they can get away with it. But that’s OK with you because you are a choo choo buff and anything that helps the rails is fine, no matter what the long term outcome.
No I am not in a position to buy or build plants, I am not in the realestate and investment end of the company, stictly transportation, but I have steered with some success decisions on the location of new plants where there is competition with the rails, truck backhauls and close proximity to suppliers that provide for trucking. It’s called giving one’s company options to help control costs down the road. I suppose you can’t understand that concep
You’re wasting your bandwidth. Since LC is ostensibly a professional railroader, he/she will continue to get away with personal attacks on this forum. Best to just let it go and move on!
Sounds like you need to outsource your freight payment process. Which is quite oportune, because I just founded Ken’s RailFreightPay. I guarantee to catch any problem before the six figure mark. email me privately.
Seriously, why didn’t you have what you regarded as the proper charge loaded in your processing system. Why didn’t you get an automatic email the first time a charge that differed from this amount came through?
These things can get settled by people negotiating in good faith and honesty.
Your lack of facts LC is overshadowed by your foam at the mouth loyalty to railroads. People short on facts are typically the fastest to resort to insults to attempt to support their incorrect positions.
Sorry for the typos previously, but the facts remain.
US rails load up on import intermodal volume and contribute to the pricing increases that help make US manufacturing less competitive.
Class one RR’s are doing many things (Excessive rate increases are just one) that cause shipper like me to despise them. I did not just cop an attitude one day on a whim, nor have many other shippers who feel the same way.
I imagine it would be OK if one of your suppliers misbilled you to the tune of 6 figures in their favor, asked you to straighten out theri billing failures and then only charged you 30 grand for a problem tehy created…that would be just fine with you as long it was a railroad right, so long as one is a foam at the mouth train buff, anything is fine and dandy and if you don’t like it, you just hate the trains and are a target to insult. Hard to imagine this scenario as if you were, say a contractor and Lowes did this to you you would switch to menards or home depot. When Lowes is the only game in town you are stuck. Just one example of how class one’s treat shippers like trash because they can get away with it. But that’s OK with you because you are a choo choo buff and anything that helps the rails is fine, no matter what the long term outcome.
No I am not in a position to buy or build plants, I am not in the realestate and investment end of the company, stictly transportation, but I have steered with some success decisions on the location of new plants where there is competition with the rails, truck backhauls and close proximity to suppliers that provide for trucking. It’s called giving one’s company options to help control costs down the road. I suppose you can’
How soon they forget who took the public “soap eating feast” (to borrow Dave’s term) for personal attacks. BTW, who was the first one to mention names (ie. the word “personal”) in that thread?
That seems to be the prevailing attitude of railroads “go ahead and take away your business, we dont need it.”
I frankly dont like using that attitude unless I am at the end of the line with a customer. Granted, I am not in the railroading business, but to burn a bridge seems a bit extreme.
I am an outsider, dont work for the rails and certainly dont ship by rail, but I do have a number of customers that are very large users of rail services…HUGE companies. No one is very happy with the service they get. For the most part they can live with the rates, it is the lousy service that they dislike.
For the most part I defend the railroad’s on this forum and their need to earn a higher return, but lousy service and for the most part a lack of customer service is something I find extremely alarming. This is coming from an employee of a company that places a very high value on customers.
Consider how your company might react if one of your products was “sold out”. In other words, they could not produce more product without investing in increased capacity. Suppose that the cost of additional production capacity was not justified by the profit generated by the product involved. What would be your action?
I can tell you that complaints about the quality of rail service are nothing new. For as long as I have been around the business the line has tended to be the rates are great, but the service is bad.
I think it is reasonable to make the general statement that our transportation infrastructures (of all modes) are at capacity. Yes, there are rails, roads and waterways that could handle more vehicles, but they generally do not connect points where there is any big demand for transportation service. It is the shortage of capacity that has given pricing power to carriers, especially the railroads.
Of course, now the complaint is “We have been hit with these huge rate increases and the service now the service is even worse.” There are two ways to address a capacity problem. Increase the rates to the point that some business is driven off and invest in additional capacity. I think it is reasonable to say that the railroads are doing both.
I don’t doubt that many shippers share Slotracer’s perception of the problem. I think his view is probably a result of having had many years with “good deals” on rates and now he is faced with a big jump in the rates. Most buyers of anything would feel that they deserved something better for the higher price, but in spite of the billions being spent to increase rail capacity, marked improvement in the service is still years away. One should note that the capacity to increase the capacity also has its limits
It was LC (e.g. the “yahoos” reference) followed by Ed B’s followup. As it always is on this forum. You can almost set your watch by LC’s initial attacks and Ed B’s followup ass kissing of LC.
Both you and Bergie need to read the whole thread ("Rail Rates Rock!) to see who it is who always initiates the personal attacks. I am not sure why Bergie decided to go after me, since all I did in response was to make a joke of LC’s initial attack by turning it back on him and his ilk. Then of course LC went even further below the belt, so I made light of his perpetual immaturity (e.g. the “pubes” remark). Since Bergie included the former but not the latter in his mention of me, my thoughts are that this was a setup all along.
Birds of a feather stick together, I guess.
Oh well, now I have my first official repremand, even though it is unwarranted. Life goes on.
So, since you consider Limitedclear’s reference to “yahoos” as a personal attack, you’re admitting you’re a yahoo.
It’s obvious that Bergie and I did read the whole thread. As you quoted, the word “personal” in my statement. The first mention of names in that manner in that thread was your post.
So now “conspiricy theory Dave” thinks we’re all out to get him. Guess it’s time for him to make a new aluminum foil hat so we can’t read his thoughts.
I don’t remember using your name once in any response I posted in that thread…you, on the other hand, were quite happy to make a personal insult.
Get it right next time…we are Ilk, not yahoos.
Yahoos are childish folks who have to IM each other each other, incapable of truely intelligent conversation.
Ilk, on the other hand, are a little more civilized…we call each other on our cell phones and speak to one another like people, enjoying the nuances of actual conversation.
Generally, I don’t take that attitude with my customers. Frankly, Speed Racer came to this forum with a redwood on his shoulder spoiling for a fight and looking to rub railroaders noses in his little “I am the Customer God” routine. As in any industry there are good and bad customers, like the perpetually unsatisfied restaurant patron I mentioned above. I have found that such customers in any industry are their own worst enemies. The come to the table expecting to dictate unrealistic terms to their vendors and make extreme demands when their ridiculous expectations are not met. Would you seek out Indian cuisine at a Brazilian steakhouse? Some of the rail customers demands are similar. Many businesses are better off without the business of customers who seek to distract the business focus to provide personal service focussed solely upon their needs to the exclusion of other customers. Railroads are common carriers, we don’t focus on one to the exclusion of
You are so insecure about yourself that you believe you are a yahoo…
Hmmm, one of the few things you have said I have difficulty arguing with, but I never mentioned you by name until you came after me.
You can blame all of us forever, but until you look in the mirror, you won’t touch the real problem.
Bergie reined you in because you deserved it. Not like many others including me haven’t been reprimanded before. You know your options, live with it or don’t…
Not that I have any particular reason to defend futuremodal, but anyone who has read this forum for more than a month or two would have no difficulty in determining who LC was referring to by his use of the term “yahoos”.
Can I become Ilk??? I like the nuances of an actual conversation. Or, better yet, a thread that has the same. You know, there are some people here that I have a high opinion of, and some others that I don’t, but I generally respect everyone, and I don’t get involved in the personal attack stuff that goes on.
However, I get so tired of these threads devolving into this kind of crap. I haven’t been around these forums that long, but, we all know here who the instigators are. Sometimes, these “instigators” do participate in thoughtful discourse, but most of the time, they post just so they can get others to respond, and then cry “foul” when they get back what they gave out.
So, when Bergie slaps someone down, so to speak, or locks a thread, well, than, obviously, that person had it coming. I would expect that if I filled this thread with insults, and other such tripe, Bergie would slap me down too, and it would be deserved. But, since I don’t go there, he has no reason to do it.
Oh, and Ed [#ditto] to what you said in your post. Sometimes, the sniping around here from certain members, reminds me of my two small children when they are picking on each other… (Anyone with small children knows what I mean…)