The 16 cylinder 645 comes in three variations …
File 91491 is the same file that comes in the factory Kato engines and uses the Select decoder.
File 73408 is the generic file that is used in the Select series decoders.
File 74408 is the file that is used in the V4.0 decoders.
Mark.
The file IS available for the V4.0 decoders (see above). As for being “more powerful” - that is only true in regards to what you are able to do with them. All the specifications between the Select and the V4.0 are identical, the only difference is that the V4.0 allows you access to the internal workings of the sound schedule.
Mark.
Mark explained it - the file number I provided was the one for a Select. Select files can’t be loaded on a V4.
–Randy
Thanks for the explanation, Mark. And, yes, I understand that about the V4.0 decoders. I only used the word “powerful” since that was the term that Randy used in an earlier response; hence why it was in quotation marks.
Tom
I used ‘powerful’ in the sense of what you can do. The select decoders, you can swap the entire sound file, and you can select between different bells, horns, and prime moves (if they are included in the sound set) with a CV.
On a V4, you can adjust every single sound slot individually - plug in some Blues tunes if you want. And you can edit the script - the conditionals that say "play sound slot x when the user pressed button 4 and the speed is not 0 and the direction forward kind of stuff. A completely blank canvas. Of course, you can just load prepared sound files in the V4 and not do any of that editing stuff and have a perfectly usable decoder. But V4’s cost more than Selects, so if you aren;t going to mess around with that stuff, no sense paying more for the V4. Or need one of the other features - a V4 can work with Maerklin mfx protocol as well as NMRA DCC, but again, if you don;t have that - no sense paying for the feature.
–Randy
Actually, you can do exactly what you stated with the Selects through the function mapping pane. [swg]
Mark.
OK, but what sound is in that slot is fixed in the Select and changeable in the V4 [:D]
–Randy
Okay my decoder # 73400 has shipped with #91463 sound file. I know you guys said 91491, this one is Kato also and was installed after Feb of 2014 according to the description. My loco was built before that I am guessing. I can always change it after I get a lokprogrammer. If nothing else I saved 30 bucks using this decoder over the V4 I originally was going to get.
That’s the more updated version of the 16-645E3 turbo, so probably the better option anyway.
If you wonder where we get these project numbers:
http://www.esu.eu/en/downloads/sounds/loksound-select/loksound-select-oem/
–Randy
I’ll put in a good word for Brian at Streamlined Backshop.
Randy
There are 2 versions of the Lokprogrammer that I see on at the ESU website. 53451 and 53452. You said you have one correct? Is it the grey housing one? I see a blue version also. Although the 53452 says it is for USA , what makes the other one different ? Power in Europe is 220V so I am guessing that model is rigged with a power pack for them. I want to buy one today. I should be getting my decoder today from Litchfield.
Marty
Marty,
Here is what I found on one of the ESU web pages:
What is the difference between LokProgrammer 53451 und 53452?
The LokProgrammer set 53452 includes a US power supply 120VAC and is distributed only in USA. Otherwise everything else like LokProgrammer functions or set accessories are identical. The LokProgrammer set 53451 includes a European power supply for 240VAC. The software which comes with the both of the sets is in German and in English language as well. [Underscore by me]
So, it looks like the LokProgrammer 53452 is what you want…
Tom
Thanks Tom! I thought that may have been the main difference but I wanted to be sure I read their info correctly. I will get the US version of course!
Merry Christmas
Marty
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C’mon, Marty! - Live daringly! [:o)]
And Merry Christmas to you, as well.
Tom
Hi Tom,
Hope you had a great Christmas. I installed the #73400 6 Aux select programmed with #91463 EMD 16 645 turbo. I installed the 28 mm 4 ohm round speaker and installed in the fuel tank which was setup for it.
OKAY just fired it up. Very LOUD but not distorted. F8 starts and stops diesel. Bell sounds good. The slow speed is crazy good! I have to figure out how to have the ditch lights alternate on off operation. So far I like this decoder a lot. Getting late here so I will continue education on functions tomorrow. It took only maybe 10 minutes to do the install at most.
I just received a Lokprogrammer today, so I can play! Any suggestions to get the ditch lights to alternate?
Happy New Year!
Marty
One thing not mentioned as a plus for Loksound versus the competition I understand is that the Loksound decoder has more light functions–six to be exact. For example, on my Wabash GP7 that was one of the reasons I purchased a Loksound decoder (on its way). Here’s how I’ll use them: front headlight, rear headlight, clears Mars light, red Mars light (yes I know, it would normally come on in an emergency brake application), number board and truck lights as a combined function and finally to be able to turn the class light on (just clear for an extra train for my purposes).
Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana
Mine came with no software, I had to download it from ESU. Maybe it was an oversight? The Lokprogrammer was new and sealed I bought from SBS about a year ago.
Ed
Marty,
First off, I’m glad to hear you are pleased with your Select decoder.
Secondly, you can adjust the overall master volume by changing CV63. The default value is 180; pick a value lower than that. For starters try a value between 100-120 and see how you like that. Also, you don’t need the LokProgrammer to do that. It’s probably faster to adjust it in programming mode using your DCC throttle.
For adjusting CVs overall, as well as understanding what else your Select decoder is capable of doing, it would be wise to download the Select manual from the ESU website. The lighting effects can be found on pgs. 62-65.
Read and re-read over the above section then give it whirl. If you really mess things up you can always reset the decoder to factor standard (CV8=8) and try it again.
Hope that helps…
Tom
Mine came with software but the version for download was somewhat newer.
–Randy
There was a note in the box stating cd no longer added to kit, just go on line to get the latest version of software.