why did Santa Fe loves diesel-electric locomotives and hated steam locomotives
I wouldn’t say Santa Fe hated steam locomotives, far from it. Look how many were donated to various communitys along the way. That would indicate to me they were quite proud of them.
However, sheer practicality had to win out in the end, so steam had to go.
What did the Santa Fe have against steam locomotives? Steam engines required a lot of water–and alkaline water is not good for boilers.
And of course, there’s no coal where the Santa Fe ran, or in most places where they ran, so they burned oil as soon as it was practical.
But if you’re going to use oil as a fuel, it makes sense to use it in the most efficient way possible, so it’s back to diesels again.
Santa Fe’s relatively early dieselization was in part a function of the territory it served. Santa Fe was able to get so many FT’s during wartime because they were better suited for operations in the Arizona desert.
Why does the OP keep beating this dead horse? [*-)]
Why is the moon purple? If I ask the question, the listener is forced to either answer as if the underlying premise is correct (ie, the moon IS purple), or to reject it and to say the question is unanswerable. It happens to be that the question I posed is unanswerable. It happens that your question is also unanswerable because I must reject your premise prima facie.
Perhaps you would be good enough to point to a credible source, other than your assertion, that supports your premise. From there we might be able to engage in something approximating a discussion.
that’s why Santa Fe stopped using steam locomotives in freight service in 1953 to become a all-diesel-electric road and never looked back
All US railroads switched to diesels and never looked back. Some earlier, some later.
So when Santa Fe officially ended steam in 1953 and what steam locomotive.
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMFF74_Last_Steam_Locomotive_Run_on_the_Santa_fe_Railroad
The above may be incomplete and misleading as it doesn’t say that 3759 was the last steam locomotive to run revenue service for the Santa Fe. However, one could conclude that the railroad’s 4-8-4’s were used until the end, and an educated guess says their wonderful 2-10-4 and 4-6-4 variants were also used until near the very last in 1953. You’d need a history of the Santa Fe to get a definitive answer.
As an example of how your date of 1953 could be wrong, see the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_5017
…meaning that freight probably lasted somewhat longer because sure as aitch that locomotive wasn’t hauling the Chief.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned Santa Fe’s last stand with steam when it sent several 2-10-4’s to the Pennsy for duty in Ohio during the autumn of 1956. Visit www.columbusrailroads.com
TRBB, you’re absolutely correct! Those Santa Fe 2-10-4’s leased to the PRR were well-liked by those Pennsy crewmen who ran them too.
I guess no-one’s mentioned it because it was a short episode, easily forgotten except by Pennsy and Santa Fe fans.
I still consider the Ripley Sante Fe 2-10-4’s the very best non-articulated freight power with the Pennsy and C&O 2-10-4s a very very close second.
When did Santa Fe last run steam?
Well, this is from an article in “Classic Trains” Special Edition “Steam Glory 3” from 2012. It’s from an article called “Insiders View Of Santa Fe Steam” by Jack Elwood, an SF veteran who began railroading in 1939. I’ll quote Mr. Elwood directly…
“The curtain came down on Santa Fe steam in August 1957. The last stand of the great 4-8-4’s and 2-10-4’s took place in New Mexico, in helper service between Belen and Mountainair. These engines were only 13 years old and had many more years left in their service life. Some of us at the time were confounded at the decision to scrap these engines, especially when I recalled that the first steam locomotive I worked on in Santa Fe service was 40 years old at the time. It was unprecedented for engines to be scrapped at such a young age.”
Indeed! I’m sure Mr. Elwood had plenty of company!
Great article. In fact, the whole special issue is a keeper. I believe it’s still available as a back-issue from Kalmbach.
Santa Fe would have follow in the footsteps of Southern,Rock Island,Cotton Belt,Western Pacific,and Delaware and Hudson by ending steam in 1953, It could take Santa Fe 84 years to put out this fire
The Rutland also ended steam in 1953, but oddly enough had purchased 4 4-8-2s in 1946, when hardly any railroads were ordering steam locomotives.
But as far as Santa Fe goes, let’s quote Lucius Beebe from “Highball” . “Before Diesel operation it was necessary to transport three million gallons of water a day to one point.” I’ll let anyone interested do their own research.
The point in question is Hackberry, Arizona.
Per Father Al’s comment, I’d suspect the reason the Rutland bought those 4-8-2’s in 1946 was they needed something new now, and there was a waiting list for diesel road units. Sometimes you just have to go with what’s available.
You may be completely right, but if the Rutland needed a temporary solution to their motive power shortage, might it have not made more sense to buy some used steam locomotives, especially since other railroads were discarding them at that time? Why invest in four brand new locomotives if you know you’re likely to set them aside in 6-7 years?
The tragedy for me personally is that those 4-8-2’ s didn’t last 5 more years. That way, I might have had some childhood memories of them. Or that the Rutland didn’t sell them off to another US railroad or possibly even to Mexico? Would that one of them might have been preserved!
Yes, and I think that both the ‘act’ and the timing are very significant. Note that these were not just “4-8-2s”, they were some of the best 4-8-2 prototypes ever built in this country, and they had remarkably sophisticated tenders. These were not ‘temporary’ engines in any sense of the word; they just happened to have been greenlighted and then ordered at precisely the wrong time, before the ‘bottom fell out’ starting very shortly, but not well-predicted, thereafter.
It would likely pay to look at how the Rutland earned the credit to finance or purchase these locomotives, likely riding the wave of accessible credit that so many railroads experienced after the forced profitability of the war years. And that the cost of even this very sophisticated, device-laden, and maintainable steam would have been 1/3 or less the cost of equivalent diesel horsepower at the time, and then-available diesel still been first-generation squirrelly and involving expensive new crafts and skills to implement.
Might also look at why PRR went ahead and built all those T1s very close to that time, or why NYC went into prompt production of the high-speed version of the Niagara when it had plenty of optimized wartime L4s. The rhetorical question almost answers itself: no one would invest in four brand-new locomotives, especially large road locomotives arguably oversophisticated and with difficult tenders to back up, if they knew or even reasonably expected they were likely to set them aside in 6-7 years.
Better to look at the period when the decisions were being made to scrap them, and what had happened to the development of diesel power, traffic fall-off