The TV (shown below, KABC Channel 7) is reporting 12 are dead by a mass shooting in a medical center in San Bernardino, CA, the site of which is out of view below on the upper right. The site is near Metrolink’s ex-Santa Fe (AT&SF) Redland Loop. The street is South Waterman Ave., with the Redlands Loop line in view. The whole area is jam packed with law enforcement.
K.P. knows someone who knows someone personally that is INSIDE the San Bernardino police station. They called that known person and said 14 were killed in the shooting.
The rail line is between San Bernardino and Redlands, and projections are to rebuild the line to eventually run RDC type trains on it.
Whether the perps are gangs, terrorists or the mentally disturbed, as long as guns are as easy to get hold of as a Coke, these tragedies will go on and on and on.
This seems to have been a very focused and purposeful attack by people who were well equipped and acting like professional commandos. I am only following the story loosely for the time being, but am looking forward most to learning who they were and why they did it. I would expect that one or more of their identities and background are known by now, or soon will be known. I wonder if there will be any reason to not release that information to the public as soon as it is known.
Well, we have all seen how great making coke illegal has worked…sorta like prohibition and making alcohol illegal did.
Great way to create an major profitable enterprise for organized criminals.
Oh, wait, wasn’t there this group of guys around Chicago that tried that?
The real issue might not be the guns, or the drugs and booze, but the way we as a society deal with the chronic mental health issue here.
Try and get long term psychotherapy or behavior therapy for a family member…once your private insurance runs out, your have to impoverish yourself to qualify for any type of federal or state aid, then good luck with getting any type of quality treatment.
Trust me, if they can’t get a gun, they will use Molotov cocktails, or kitchen knives, or baseball bats, or their automobile.
Gonna make all those “illegal” also and “solve” the problem?
The issue isn’t the tool used, but the motivation and delusional reasoning behind the action…come on, your the self proclaimed super shrink here, you should already know that!
I have been licensed to carry a weapon for over 30 years, I walked into a gun store, paid cash for my side arm, a holster, and a box of ammo, and in that 30 plus years my gun has never managed to commit a crime
Scary situation and a heart breaking site for such an attack.
Looks like Euclid got it at least partly right, this is not a typical mass shooting and does look very pre-planned and targeted. Not sure about possible motives, figure any of my guesses now will probably go wild of the mark when more information comes out.
Obviously one of the uninformed about legal gun purchases. Coming from a man of your educational stature, I expected better. OTOH, the black market has no such restrictions.
I bought my first gun in 1973 and the only thing it has killed is a paper target in front of mound of sand. Since it’s kept locked it hasn’t been able to sneek out on its own it reek havoc on the innocent.
Whether the perps are gangs, terrorists or the mentally disturbed, as long as guns are as easy to get hold of as a Coke, these tragedies will go on and on and on.
Well, we have all seen how great making coke illegal has worked…sorta like prohibition and making alcohol illegal did.
Great way to create an major profitable enterprise for organized criminals.
Oh, wait, wasn’t there this group of guys around Chicago that tried that?
The real issue might not be the guns, or the drugs and booze, but the way we as a society deal with the chronic mental health issue here.
Try and get long term psychotherapy or behavior therapy for a family member…once your private insurance runs out, your have to impoverish yourself to qualify for any type of federal or state aid, then good luck with getting any type of quality treatment.
Trust me, if they can’t get a gun, they will use Molotov cocktails, or kitchen knives, or baseball bats, or their automobile.
Gonna make all those “illegal” also and “solve” the problem?
The issue isn’t the tool used, but the motivation and delusional reasoning behind the action…come on, your the self proclaimed super shrink here, you should already know that!
As pointed out in the DD&CS/C’Box …the BNSF dispatchers for SoCal were less than 3/4 mile to the SW from the incident (Carnegie Dr @ Hospitality Dr). I’m sure that if in the unlikely case there was a switch engine out on the branch, they were shut down mui pronto and most of the activity in “A” yard (also not far away at the bottom of Cajon Pass) was operated in a very guarded manner.
The BNSF railway police were certainly involved, probably protecting the railroad assets to either side of the incident.
The shooters were a man and his wife, both Muslims, although the motive sounds like work-related personal revenge (“going postal”). At least two of the four weapons were purchased legally.
It may have been a form of personal revenge, but authorities are considering that it was terrorism based on jihad and the question of whether the shooters were influenced to act or trained with that motive.
I would say that the motive in a shooting like this one is a much bigger factor than the availability of guns. Yet, I expect the official reaction will highlight the latter and downplay the former.
A thorough investigation must consider some form of terrorism in either the broad or narrow sense. However, since the man was an employee of the agency holding the party and had gotten into an argument there with others, it seems likely it was personal (likely a mental illness involvement) and had nothing to do with political terrorism, whether jihadist-inspired or the anti-abortion type as in Colorado Springs.
