Does anyone know anything about the Missouri and Illinois Railway? I did a Google Search on it and was largely dissapointed with the results. I know it was a subsidy of MoPac and was fully disolved in 1978. But, what was its traffic like? Did it run to Kimundy Illinois until the end?
Gabe
I have the offical RR Guide from 1979 & there is no mention of this RR. Maybe it has another name? [:D][:p]
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It was the Missouri-Illinois, and was (AFAIK) so much a part of the MoPac that its operations (and diesel roster) were indistinguishable.
I show Kinmundy as being on the C&EI, not MI. But even if they somehow did get up that way, the SPV atlas shows some portions of the MI line (such as through Centralia) as being abandined while it was still MI, so the answer to your question would have to be no.
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I have the offical RR Guide from 1979 & there is no mention of this RR. Maybe it has another name? [:D][:p]
See above post (railroad absorbed into MoPac 1978).
Gabe
Nope sorry no listing under Missouri-Illinois or under the Mopac for 79 in the book. [:p][:)][8D]
Pls see my reply to Cshave concerning the Mopac[:o)][:p]
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I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D]
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I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D]
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Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc.
OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D]
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In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006…for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged.
Thanks Mudchicken.
I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there.
Gabe
I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world.
Gabe:
You were born a generation too late!
I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad…features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong.
My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo…no doubt the General Manager of the operations.
The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2.
The Official Guide also shows:
Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am
Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm
Arrivals are:
Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am
Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm
Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw’s Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo.
Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by “Car Ferry”. Also service to Shaw’s Mine is “temporarily discontinued.”
If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il…a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm.
Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio?
Ed,
Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment.
Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren’t kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer’s funds.
Thanks again for the info, very interesting.
Gabe
You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later.
If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can’t see any markings. John[8D][:o)]
found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m’s[8D]
wish i could help more
Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54
“Missouri-Illinois, popularly the “Mike & Ike” was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)”.[:o)][:D][:)][:p]
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