Model railroading genres - good idea?

Hi everyone, I’m interested in hearing your thoughts as to whether it would be helpful to think in terms of genres when approaching model railroading. This is, of course, a widely established practice in literature, movies, and other art forms (eg. westerns, rom coms, horror, sci-fi, action-adventure, etc.), and it seems to be helpful not just in describing a particular taste or style, but in evaluating what works and what doesn’t. In short, a technique that works well in one genre may come off all wrong in another.

What got me thinking about this was a recent discussion in which several posters objected to some advice given in an MR article about achieving realism in a layout. While some people had reasonable quibbles with specific points made, others just sounded more generally defensive, or even offended, as if the author had told them their own modeling efforts were all wrong. It’s not the first time I’ve seen such a fuss, in MR or elsewhere in the hobby, when someone suggests taking an approach that others haven’t taken.

To put it another way, when someone writes or speaks about how to achieve greater scenic realism, operational authenticity, or whatever, people sometimes feel they’re being told what they ought to be doing, when in fact the writer’s intent is usually to say “If you want to achieve X outcome, here are some tips on how to do it”.

On the plus side, establishing genres would make it easier to talk about techniques for success in different styles of modeling, without passing judgement on the styles themselves. For example, what type of track plan is better: point-to-point , or “spaghetti bowl”? The answer is, it depends on your genre. Use point-to-point if you’re doing an Operations or Realistic Trainwatching layout, and spaghetti bowl if you’re going for Fantasy World or General Public Entertainment. Yes, people’s feelings will still

I don’t want to offend, but I don’t see the point.

Most of us are well aware that there are lots of approaches to this hobby. We categorize ourselves by scale/gauge, era, power systems, level of detail, degree of accuracy, prototype preferences, etc. We create separate sub-specialities such as the many narrow (or broad) gauges, Proto 48, Proto 87, etc. There are modular clubs with various standards, Round-Robin clubs, Large clubs with permanent layouts, and other variations. There are serious TT&TO operators, those who just like to let the trains run, and collectors who don’t run anything at all. We do industrial switching, branchlines, shortlines, and all variations up to the busiest and densest mainlines. We do passenger trains, Mainfest freights, reefer blocks, coal trains, iron ore trains, and any others you can think of. We model mountains, prairies, bridges, tunnels, big cities, small towns, and all kinds of industries. Some like steam, some prefer diesels, some prefer juice. Among the traction guys, the range is from little trolleys and box motors through streetcars, interurbans, subways (nod to Bro. E.), and heavy electrics. Are your heavy electrics GG1’s on the Corridor, or Little Joes in Idaho? Across the Pond, they have a whole bunch of their own specialities. And some of us do nothing except read the magazines and dream.

If you want to try to break it down into various genres, be my guest. But I really think the hobby is so diverse that you’ll find there are as many genres as hobbyists, and if you manage to come to any solid conclusions and definitions, it will be pretty hard to find a good use for the information.

I think I’d rather just relax and enjoy it instead of trying to dissect it.

Now I’ll get off my soap box.

Tom

PS I’ve never seen it, but I’ll bet there is somebody doing Steampunk in N.

Your example really points out why your idea won’t work. Many operations layouts use the bowl of spaghetti approach - see Frank Ellison’s Delta Lines - to be able to fit in more operations. In fact the Delta Lines is a point to point bowl of spaghetti.

A lot of regular authors/columnists have strong opinions, which is okay - just recognize their bias is just that - a bias. It’s like sound, weathering, DCC and whole host of things - some like it, some don’t, some do both. Currently there is a strong bias in the hobby press towards photographic, museum quality, protoype model railroading. But in reality a lot of people are having fun with trains in other ways.

In many ways the toy train guys are better at this than we are. They have fun running whatever appeals to them and don’t worry about whether that streamline passenger train looks right next to 4-4-0 pulling a truss rod passenger car.

This is a hobby, do what’s fun for you.

Enjoy

Paul

Gee - if we were to break down this hobby into different categories or genres, I would not know where to fit in - not because my choice of an exotic genre, but too broad an interest in anything running on rails.

My genres would be

OO9 gauge British NG (= narrow gauge)

HOm Swiss NG

N scale Japanese standard gauge, which is 3 1/2 ft. gauge

HO tin plate toy trains (Marklin)

I also fancy HOn3 Colorado NG and H= bscale Swiss SG

Frankly, I really don´t care about the genre, as long as I am having fun with what I am doing.

Me too.

Hi Ulrich! Good to see you back!

Dave

I think I gte the point to this idea. People should consider that it’s a big, diverse hobby with lots of different way of doing stuff, different expectations of what’s important, and different comfort levels with actually building something vs RTR and everything in between.

Yeah, people get the bone of contention and division between their teeth and they just want to gnaw at things a lot of the time. Plus there’s way too much crossover in interests, even by the same individual, to say they work in X genre most of the time.

Best to just encourage folks to be tolerant, consider other points of view, and let them learn there’s almost always something someone else can teach us, if we’re only willing to look at the good stuff as well as fretting about what we disagree with.

I get the point of the OP’s post as well.

I think what would be most helpful would be for the OP to establish a list of potential genre for us to consider.

Rich

I also think I get the OPs gist but sadly conclude that defining genres would only get to exercise those who want to “arm wave” over such minutiae.

However, a steam powered zeppelin in N would be around 4 and a half feet in length, extremely doable! [tup]

Cheers, the Bear.[:)]

No shortage of arm waving here - no sir!

Me neither. But for whatever reason, MR forums seems to attract a lot of this type of discussion. Maybe a lot of people have way too much time on their hands which might be more constructivly applied to working on a model or a layout! Now get back in that train room and get to work! Chop chop! [:P]

I have felt for a long time that a new sub-forum should be added, and it should be called Whimsical Ideas. These ideas don’t really have anything to do with modeling, yet they do.

Rich

Or, how about the " Philosophical Dissection" forum. [swg]

Mike.

And for the rowdier bunch, a Steel Cage match forum…

…with the winners permanently banned. [:-^]

Any way that we could add a Flaming and Name Calling Forum? [;)]

This type of suggestion comes up every so often. The problem is that model railroading is a multiple dimension hobby, and there are multiple focuses all going on at the same time. Because of that, there is rarely one definitive genre on a layout. I can run an engine that is detailed to a gnat’s butt on layout with sectional track hauling Tyco cars, using the 1968 UCOR rule book.

What is steampunk exactly. I never really understood the fascination. Is this set in the 1800s with modern technologies. If it is I don’t care for this genre.

It would be nice if we could corrall all these “escoterica” topics into subforum, but it doesn’t look like our hosts are going to do that, and even if they did, half the topics would get posted here and have to get moved so it would be “high maintenence”. It appears as long as escoterica is tolerated - we will continue to see plenty more tempests in teapots for some time to come. The MR staff basically don’t have time to manage the forum to the degree thats needed to make it a little “tighter” and keep topics focused on the hobby itself [B)] As a result, it’s going to continue to be a “padded room” here in the General Discussion section. [D)]

Remember the movie remake of “The Wild Wild West”, the old, late 60’s TV series of the same name? In the movie, Will Smith was one of the actors, not sure of the others, but there was a lot of “steampunk” machinery and weapons, and trains in that. Mostly used by the main villan.

I just googled steampunk railroad, and it is kind of interesting, to look at.

Mike.

As I understand steampunk, it’s a fantasy world in which heavy industrial machinery from the steam age is imagined to be capable of things that could never really be. The Wild West was a good example of it. Also the Zorro movie from several years ago in which anachronism seemed to be the governing factor.

I like the idea of the steam powered Zeppelin, probably using hydrogen and powered by coal! A wood burner might produce more sparks for a more soectacular effect. Quite doable, and even more compact in Z!

Anybody who wants to go into that genre is welcome to enjoy his hobby any way he likes.

Tom

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Hi again everyone, great to hear from so many. I have a day job and had plans this evening, so couldn’t rejoin the discussion until now. But I was tracking the posts as well as I could and very much enjoyed reading your thoughts. Yes, it’s a rather trivial and esoteric subject as opposed to more useful discussions on how to do benchwork, or DC vs. DCC, but the responses so far reflect a mixture of thoughtfulness with a bit of fun thrown in, so I hope everyone who participated got at least something out of it. And no, I’m not into steampunk myself; just wanted to throw it out there for fun, as I find it a fascinating example of the diversity of human interest and creativity.

Anyways, to comment on some of the points made, I don’t see differences in scale, era, geography, or favorite prototype as being genres, at least not in the way the term is usually applied in other art forms. They’re certainly categories, but to me, the concept of genre has more to do with a stylistic approach. Maybe garden railroading and toy train collecting/operating are distinct enough in multiple ways, including stylistic, that they would have to be considered genres. But they have their own magazines, so let’s set them aside for now and just consider the modeling usually covered in MR.

One poster suggested it might be helpful if I proposed some examples, or a list. I certainly agree with the sentiment that if we overthink this we could easily wind up with as many genres as there are modelers in the hobby. But on a much broader sense, it has occurred to me more than once that three general themes, styles, motivations, or whatever repeatedly show up in our collective body of work, and while they’re not entirely mutually exclusive, you can’t pursue all three to a really high level at the same time because at a certain point they don’t work together and you’re forced to make tradeoffs.

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