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New York subway union: slow trains when entering stations
Wrong, wrong, wrong!
The operater of any transport device must have the legal power, rights, legal justification, and independence to do some— or any thing to avoid an injury or fatality incident.
To say that entering a station at 10 mph will help put the responsibility on the operaters frightens me.
If the reason for a collision between persons and a moving machine is the operater’s operation of it, well I would feel absolutely safe moving a machine no faster than a tenth of a mile an hour…
Yeaha can’t d
o it safely,
unless some person was shoved between the cars i was moving…but as an operater I would bear responsibility.
The Union. No. Not preventing their members from liability.
If I had been told by my union to operate at 10 mph at least 6 people I killed might be alive, a couple to attempt suicide another way.
Let us work this thru; …
If the potential passengers were shoved to death by the train, then the real question is, why were they in the right of way to begin with? Slowing down the trains may help. But odds are it won’t. Stupid people will continue to prove Darwin correct.
Guse(d) again!
“shoved to death by the train,” “why were they on the right-of-way to begin with?” “Stupid people…Darwin correct.”
The murders might be explained to Guse if he stood ready to board a subway train on station’s platform when a train was entering the station and somebody, (ready for it?)…
goosed the Guse.
Mr. Guse seems to have a comprehension problem. Those two victims were pushed off the platform by people not the train.
American Red Cross listed at goodsearch.com & isearchigive.com .
Guse, you’re wrong again. You said that “passengers were shoved to death by the train”. Subway passangers were not shoved BY THE train, but by psychotics like you. And the passangers were not in the right of way (standing on the tracks), but waiting on the platform, when some psycho thinks its a joke and doesn’t care about human life, decides to push someone INTO the path of a train. If you ever rode a Chicago subway, then you would understand the concept. New York subways are the same, except a bigger system with more people.
For many years I took 11&12 yr olds on the DC Metro as a 6th grade teacher on an annual field trip. These were country kids with country adults to assist. We ALWAYS stood way back beyond the yellow lines provided. If we delayed the timely loading because of our safety precautions so be it. If you temp fate for a few seconds and loose your life , I’ll feel bad for the clean up crew and train people but you sort of chose a careless path and paid for it with your life. Even if you were first on, you had to wait for us.
Good for the transit union for taking action when MTA did not. Used to live there, and those trains used to come slamming into the stations with their wheels screaming as they slammed to a stop. In those circumstances there was no time for a conductor to act when something was/had been pushed onto the tracks
Is this Guse guy for real? Or is he just some fictitious idiot character ala SNL or Monty Python just yanking our chain? Eitherway, he’s always good for a laugh.
I just want to thank Mr. Guse for adding his typically thoughtful and insightful comments to yet another TRAINS article… Figured that would give the rest of the readers out there a good laugh!!! In all seriousness though, how sad is it that trains are being slowed down because there are numerous fruitcakes out there having “bad days”.
I was a NYCTA CONDUCTOR in the 80’s. Not the MOTORMAN who operates the train, was accused of operating their trains too fast. Management even went so far as to call them along with some newspapers as “cowboys”. Now they don’t want the train operators to slow down because it would delay service and cause crowded platforms. Hey guys, MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!
There seems to be little enough comprehension in his posts. Their only criteria are to find any public agency mentioned and then blame the agency, the government in general and liberals for any mishap mentioned in the article-relevant, factual, logical or not.
Of course by addressing the posts we are simply feeding the delusions…but the only other choice is to leave their inaccuracies unanswered-which could lead to the mistaken impression that they could possibly be true in some way.
I’m all for improved safety and I agree that MTA trains currently enter stations at track speed, but entering with a long eight or 10 car train at 10 mph seems unrealistic. It could lead to huge, systemwide delays. How about at least 15 mph, the so-called “restricted” speed used by the railroads in stations, yards, etc. I agree that the onus here should be on the traveling public, not the operators, but I suppose the union is wary of lawsuits.
back in the 60’s my father commuted on the NY subway. One night he came home upset. There was a lot of people on the platform waiting for a train during rush hour. A woman was shoved accidently off the platform by the crowd and my father helped her back up onto the platform. This was long before cell phone cameras etc. so no record of it exists anywhere. But i think this sometimes happens i have been on crowded platforms and feared falling off the platform.
I lived in New York and rode the subway to work every day. Daily rush hour trains always stopped in the exact same place on the platform so everyone knew exactly where the car doors would be. The platform was filled with clumps of people every 15 feet or so, 7 or 8 people deep, waiting for the doors to open so they could rush in and get a seat. These people, including me, would stand as close to the edge of the platform as possible when the train came into the station. Looking back now, we were stupid to stand that close to the edge. I’m surprised more people didn’t fall in front of a moving train. All someone at the back of the crowd had to do was to push forward a little early and the person at the front edge could have fallen onto the tracks. The bottom line is “ITS NOT THE TRAINS FAULT”. Would you rather be hit by a train going 30MPH or a train going 10MPH. What a choice!
I have written to and asked the editors of Trains Newswire to ban Mr. Guse for his irrelevance and disrespect. The responses I got was less than satisfactory: It seems they “reviewed some of Mr. Guse’s posts,” and decided there was nothing there to warrant excluding him from the forum.
I suggest that we all simply ignore him. Anybody reading this forum who has the critical thinking skills to comprehend the basic subject matter will not be swayed or affected by his lies and inaccuracies in any case. By responding to him, we are indeed only encouraging his mindless rants.
Two people killed out of how many people ride the subway everyday - sad, but not a question of trains speed but of the miscreants that pushed them to their deaths. Timetables are predicated on smartly moving into & out of stations. Want to constipate the system - start approaching every station at 10 mph. Sounds like a nice humanitarian thing to so, but you’re just as dead being pushed in front of a train going 10 mph as you are at 30 mph. It might be more practical to have people wait farther back from the tracks when that is possible, making if harder for some nutter to push them onto the tracks.
Could a train stop if someone was shoved in front of it @ 10 MPH? These 2 incidents were murder & slowing the trains down will do nothing to correct this.
Could a train stop if someone was shoved in front of it @ 10 MPH? These 2 incidents were murder & slowing the trains down will do nothing to correct this.