Is there a roster of all PCC’s curently operated by Transit Systems and by Musuems in North America?
We know from April TRAINS that SF MUNI has 29. (The have others, “baby tens” that can be restored.)
Kenosha has six, seven?
Toronto two?
San Diego two?
Philadlephia 15?
Boston 9?
I think about 9 NJT-Newark City Subway cars were just distributed around to several locations.
Seashore Trolley Museum Kennebunk, ME has at least one, as do Connecticut’s museums about one a piece. The Trolley Museum in Scranton, PA has one. For starters off the top of a fuzzy Monday morning head.
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I don’t know if I’d call the RF&P electrification thread coffee discussion one of morning benefits, but I do know these museums were operating at least 1 PCC last time I visited
National Capitol in Wheaton, Md
Baltimore Streetcar in you know where
Pennsyvania Trolley in Arden, Pa, just north of Washington Pa
Seashore has NJT 5 and SEPTA 2709 in more or less operable condition. DC 1304 is missing a couple of important electrical pieces but still comes out once in a while. There are a bunch more PCCs on the property, at least some of which will move without being pushed.
Colorado Springs = 2 (Manitou & Pikes Peak SRS&HS)…mostly ex-SEPTA, but there is a gaggle of other PCC’s inside the wye at Roswell.
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There is the one at Boylston Station, those ones being removed from the Brooklyn waterfront, and one at the Orange Empire museum in Perris, CA (narrow gauge).
Does Philly have any unrestored/modified PCCs waiting in the wings, somewhere? And, if so, are there enough to resurrect route 23?
Last I knew, there were several sitting to the north of the runway at El Paso International Airport. I believe these are the ex-El Paso-Juarez cars, at least some of which came from San Diego.
John Timm
All the El Paso - Juarez PCC’s came from San Diego. I believe San Diego now has one of its own back in operatiton on the downtown heritage loop plus on ex Twin Cities NJT car for that loop service.
And McKinney Avenue in Dallas has one of the two Leonards Department Store much modified PCCs operatonal and air-conditioned…
Yes, the TTC has two, they’re kept at the Russell car house on Queen st East. Both are in nice condition.
This may be of some help http://www.bera.org/pnaerc.html PS Colorado Springs has a lot more than 2.
Now that I think about it, there is also an ex-Toronto PCC on stationary display next to the Roosevelt/Central light rail station in downtown Phoenix.
John Timm
So now we’re getting into static displays.
Septa has one in their headquarters basement-13th St station concourse
Glen Echo park outside Washington DC had, and I assume has, an ex Philly PCC at its old main entrance. It had what I assume were its Philly broad gauge trucks on top of standard gauge track, so only half the wheels are on the rail.
I can understand why Glen Echo park would want a PCC on display. It was well served by the scenic, mostly PRW, Cabin John, I think route 20, all PCC, which started at Union Station, went through a tunnel near the Capitol Building, passed the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue, swiched from conduit to overhead trolley wire at the beginning of PRW west of Georgetown, and then ran throgh a park-like environgment, crossing occaasional streams, to a stop at Glen Echo, then continiued to a loop at Cabin John, which seemed very rural indeed. I understand the bus replacement took 45 miinutes longer to get downtown during rush hours, and people who had depended on the line found they had to abandon public transit and buy cars. My first ride on the line was with John Stern and Bill (Giggles) Watson, on a privately taken railfan Batlimore and Washington weekend, 1947, age 15-1/2. They shared a DC hotel room and I stayed with my Aunt Sue in her Massachusetts Avenue apartment. We rode PRR both ways NY-DC. I rode the line again and again on many subsequent visits. My last ride was when I was in the Army at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, 1956. I was designated as convoy commander for a military vehicle trip to Bolling Air Base for an Armed Forces Day show (This was during the Eisenhower Administration, and nearly all USA Citizens showed respect for the military), and we were to demonstrate leaflet drops and long-range loudspeaker sound propagation. My two techies and I decided to visit Glen Echo on our free time, and I had our Jeep driven to a Capitol area parking lot, parking for free for a military vehicle, and ride the trolley, and my two friends and hard workers said they appreciated the chance to ride the trolley line as much as to enjoy the Glen Echo amuseuments, even though it was evening and very dark on the return trip. On a long trip the three of us took turns driving, but in Washington, since I was the officer, still a 2nd Louee, not yet made 1st., one of
The Philly PCC at Glen Echo was removed in 2012:
Others that I know of:
Baltimore Streetcar Museum has on site original Baltimore Transit PCC 7407, Philadelphia PCC 2168, former San Diego/El Paso PCC 503/1503 (originally intended to be restored as Baltimore “7303,” but now doubtful), and NJ Transit Newark Subway PCC 26, as well as a heavily-rebuily ex-Philly “line car” PCC.
Rockhill Trolley Museum has SEPTA 2743 and Newark car 6.
Three ex-Philly/SEPTA PCCs were sold off by the Balto. Streetcar Museum to a group in Lancaster, Pa. in 2008; whereabouts unknown. That group supposedly also had a fourth that came via Brooklyn, NY, but was scrapped in an ownership/storage/property dispute.
As I recall, National Capital Trolley Museum has three PCCs of various heritages.
Just go to Frank Hicks’ excellent database at the BERA website, mentioned above.
The Pennsylvania Trolley Museum, Washington, PA (Arden), has seven “true” PCCs - three operational, four on display only.
Of the seven, one was Pullman Standard built for Shaker Heights Rapid Transit (Cleveland, OH), four are St. Louis products for Pittsburgh Railways Co. (PRCo), while two more St. Louis cars were made for Philadelphia Transportation Co. (one of them later repainted in SEPTA’s orange-and-blue scheme).
One of the PRCo units was rebuilt by Port Authority of Allegheny County Transit (PAT) in 1988 as #4004. It was PAT’s last revenue service PCC. Another PRCo car, #1711, was one of several specially fitted to run in interurban service between Pittsburgh and Charleroi or Washington, PA. It sports the roof mounted “cyclops eye” headlight seen on on some of today’s LRVs.
The museum actually has nine PCCs in all if you count St. Louis-built Philadelphia Suburban (PS) #14 (operational) and #24 (display only) for PS’s renamed Red Arrow Division, later part of SEPTA. These two 1949 units are considered by many as the last US interurban cars ever made. They sport PCC bodies mounted on high-speed running gear.
Operational or not, PTM gives all these cars due TLC. The entire collection roster and histories are here: http://pa-trolley.org/collection/
While a bit off topic, does anyone know where PCC’s last ran in regular revenue service? Not the current “revival” or nostalgia runs they make now.
Possibly Newark City Subway. But I believe there are many that never were retired in the likes of Philadelphia and San Francisco…even South America.
CTA ran its last PCC’s on December 4, 1992 on the Evanston Express.