The current edition of OGR isn’t very good. There are very few features and things of interest. The magazine is nothing more than a lot of promotion of products and ads. I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come.
Why not post this over there…?
Yes, I agree. Kind of crappy. I don’t feel so bad about not buying the magazine regularly.
Of equal importance, I was a little dissapointed with my July 2004 copy of CTT. The content was good as always but the book literally fell apart after a few days. At least 10 pages tore out from the center. Now the book sits on my desk as a big wad of tape and paper.
While I’m at it, Years ago, I was a regular subscriber to CTT. When the subscription ran out, I simply purchased them at the local hoby shop. Gave me a good excuse to go. Recently I decided to resubscribe. To my surprise, the book no longer comes in a plastic bag. As a result my magazines are a little beat up when they finally reach my mailbox.
Anyone at CTT have any insight? Not to meaning to bash CTT in any way, just wanted to voice some things in the QAQC department.
I’m not one to sweat the content of a magazine on an issue by issue basis. When you subscribe, you take the bad with the good. There are always things of interest, and occasional gems to be found in both publications.
As for the condition of your copy when it reaches your mailbox, the magazine publishers changed the way they distributed their products a number of years ago. Not just Kalmbach, but many of the large publishers. I think the way it works is that a large quantity of copied are shipped to the local post office, along with the labels for the subscribers. This was done to reduce the handeling of the individual magazines, and eliminate the need for wrapping.
If your copy is mangled, this was done most likely at your local post office. I think all you have to do is call Kalmbach customer service, and they will send you a replacement. I’ve been a subscriber for years, and have never had to resort to using this service. Once in a while, my copy will be in less than mint condition, but I’m not that fussy with my trains, so the maga
The folks at OGR are obviously not trained journalists or professional photographers nor do they have the resources like Kalmbach has. You have to take that into consideration when reading the magazine.
Good points. When compared to Kalmbach publications, many other hobby magazines are “mom and Pop” operations. OGR simply doesn’t have the same resources at it’s disposal. That doesn’t make it bad, but it does make Rich Melvin’s job a lot more difficult. I just had a chance to look through run 202, and I thought it was a bit light for content, but I did like Don Grabski’s article on replacing lightbulbs with LEDs on 022 switches. Lots of ads and new product listings though.
Notch,
If you are unhappy with the condition of your CTT subscription copy, just call the customer service 800 number (it’s in the beige column right across from the editorial) and another will be sent to you immediately. You can do this as often as you feel necessary.
Thanks,
Neil Besougloff
editor, CTT
Summertime is generally a low point for toy trains. This is generally reflected in the lack of solid articles in the publications. It’ll be 90 degrees for the next couple of weeks and everybody is just thinking of cooling off.
Just a note here from a non-O gauger who does enjoy OGRJ.
I like the editorial content-it seems rich enough for the subject matter and holds a professionalism (heck, we ARE talking about toy trains) and I wouldn’t be so quick to say that these people
aren’t “trained journalists”.
I will admit that CTT has a more “polished” look to it, and
that has a lot to do with desktop publisher$ and Kalmbach, but
as for content I think both magazines deliver.
Of course, like I said above, I’m into large scale not O gauge
but my big trains are run indoors with sectional tracks and
I find OGR and CTT topics to be geared more toward my
operations. For example, I was very interested in OGR’s
DIY catenary article.
I kinda wish CTT would broaden their horizons and at least partially
focus on large scale but I bet that would really make the
O gaugers steaming (once in a while I see a LGB train or
review of a large scale engine in there to wet my whistle).
Cheers!
Tom M.
Thanks Neil - Keep up the good work!
Tom, at one time CTT did a lot of G scale stuff and got criticized for it. At the time it was justified on the rationale that G scale trains are the classic toy trains of the future. But it seems a lot of Lionel and Flyer fans felt like they were paying too much for information that wasn’t terribly useful to them, so you see a lot less G scale in CTT these days.
You might look into obtaining some of the older CTT issues, particularly from the early '90s.
I agree with you that off-scale information can still be useful. I read Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftstman even though they’re mostly HO and N scale and I’m an O scale kind of guy. The plans for the most part all still work, you just have to enlarge them a little (or a lot). The techniques are the same, and there’s a lot to learn. Whenever the opportunity strikes, I flip through the magazines that deal with other types of models too. Sometimes they have techniques we railroaders haven’t discovered yet.
If this thread was posted on OGR’s Forum Melvin would delete it as soon as he became aware of it.
BillFromWayne
www.modeltrainjournal.com
No I wouldn’t.
Constructive criticism never hurt anyone.
Yes you would sir. You’ve deleted posts for less and we all know it.
Actually there was one along this line over at the OGR forum… But I can’t seem to locate it any longer???
I was going to point a link over to it to Support Rich and to let those whowant to comment to do so… but I can’t find it.
Rich, seems to be a credibilty gap forming, I hope its stil there but I’m just not seeing it
My goodness, both editors in the same topic. And to think, this isn’t even the first time. At least they know how to play nice. Shouldn’t we?[swg]
I mentioned this a few months ago. The article content of OGR is far
outweighed by advertising. (At the time I posted a page count of ads
vs. article content and listed full page ads, full page articles and part
pages of both catagories. The final count was 2 to 1 ads vs articles.)
That being said, I realise that advertisers help pay for the magazine,
but when the magazine becomes a catalog it’s time to rethink a bit.
Also the articles are only about 1/2 to 2/3 of the page and the rest is
“white space”. This looks more like a student’s effort to make a 200
word essay into a multi-page thesis. The above-mentioned items plus
a few other things like arbitrary censorship and really boorish manners
exhibited at a recent train meet caused me to decide to not renew my
subscription to that magazine. I have been a subscriber since the
days it was known as O Scale Railroading magazine.
On the other hand, CTT over the years has been fairly well balanced as
to content vs. advertisements. They have also been fairly well balanced
as to the tpoic material covered and have gone to pretty great lengths
to not show bias towards or against a particular facet of the hobby. Yes,
occasionally they drifted towards a particular brand or era, but when the
subscribers brought this up to the editorial staff the situation seemed
to get resolved fairly promptly. As for product reviews, CTT usually calls
it as they see it even if the review is not always favorable to an advertiser.
On the other hand, the criticism is always constructive and not vindictive.
That, in itself, goes a long way towards building relationships between
hobbyists, advertisers and subscribers. On the rare occassions I have
had a problem with CTT service (usually concerning missing/damaged
issues of the magazine) I have gotten prompt courteous service from
the publisher’s staff
The same
Both CTT and OGR put out a few ripe bannanas on occasion. Especially summer months. If I get valuable information out of just two pages alone, I feel it’s worth the cover price. I do miss Doc Tinker and Jim Bunte.
Our forum sees a lot more action than this one or any other O Gauge forum on the net, for that matter. Things move off of page one very fast when the forum is busy.
Before you arrogantly tell others what I am or am not going to do; before you accuse me of having a credibility problem; before some of you know-it-alls condecendingly dismiss my comments as meaningless, you might want to do a little research to be sure of what you are talking about. That way some of you can avoid putting your foot in your mouth as you try to take yet another cheap shot at me.
I found these with a 15 second search on our forum:
“Run 202 Question”
http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=8601027001
“Run 201 - A Blurry Issue”
http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=550104077
“Summer Train Magazines Lacking”
http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=7241016101
So…any apologies BillfromWayne, AmtrakJack, cbojanower?
Naw…I didn’t think so.
As to the comments made about OGR having too much advertising, you should know that for every issue we publish, have to calculate the percentage of advertising pages in the magazine. This ad percentage information goes to the U.S. Post Office and determines the postal rate for that issue. Our ad percentage has always fallen between 50 and 53%, which is quite normal for this industry.
Hay Rich I’ll defend you. Last october was my first time at York. I went to the OGR meeting in the grandstands and I have to say it was one of my great memories. Rich I don’t know if you remember it or not but you asked me if I was Clyde Coil, as you were looking at my name tag, know I’m not. So that little moment was just a nice memory on top of the whole experience of York. I currently have been an subscriber to CTT for over two years, have been buying OGR for a year at my local hobby shop and as soon as I have my lawyer paid off I’ll commit to a subscription to OCR also. I would feel a loss if we didn’t have either of these great magazines or both of these forums. I’m known as “prrlionel” on the OGR forum.