Does anybody remember the inside of a New York Central 19XXX Caboose and if so did they have a biffy and where would it be located? It has been so many years since I have been in one I can’t remember if any had them. I model the 60s, so perhaps maybe. Same question of the 21XXX animals. I am modeling a pair of the cabeese for my layout, and these are getting interiors. If much is visible I will retrofit the others on my layout.
Thanks in advance.
Paul
Dayton and Mad River RR
I believe it’s in the rear section behind the cupola section, rear left IIRC. (At least that’s where it is on my Trix one.) A quick internet search should find some info for you. NYC did an ad with a cutaway view of a 19000 series caboose during WW2 that’s been reprinted in several books and magazines etc.
Paul,
I have an assembly instruction for a Waterlevel Models 19000-series caboose, which has a sketch of the inside on one of the pages. It also has some really good historical information about NYC cabooses in it, as well. I’ll see if I can’t scan it and either post it for you here on the forum or send it to you in an e-mail.
Tom
If you are looking for interior colors on the wood cars, there were two versions that I recall. One was with brown a few feet up on the side walls and a buff to and including the ceiling. The other was a green instead of the brown and a white or light gray instead of the buff. I suspect the latter was a later scheme. (I have some color photos to prove it.) I also have two back issues of Railroad Model Craftsman from quite some years ago that were a two part article on scratch building one and painting it. The author detailed the interior. Incidentally, if anyone calls these 19000 series, that’s a modeler term. The NYC never called them that. As far as I know, they were called “standards” or steel underframe wood cabooses (SUF). They had some cars that were numbered in the 18000 number series that were identical or almost identical. Of course, later, other kinds of wood cabooses on the NYC and subsidiaries were numbered in the 18000 series including those from the T&OC and MC and CS, but they were quite different. The NYC also had some shorter cars that looked like the standards but with only two windows that were rebuilt from LS&MS cars as were some of the longer standards. Modelers have also incorrectly called these short standards, “18000 series cars”. I just call them “shorty standards.” The New York Central System Historical Society has blueprints for sale of the standard cars including the floor plan and NJ International did two versions of a book called “Cabooses of the New York Central and New Haven Railroads” that included HO plans and photos, some color. They goofed up the window arrangement on the bay window cars, at least in the first book.
Here’s the ad I was thinking of:
I remember seeing that NYC artwork in an encyclopedia we had at home when I was a kid. It was one of my earliest inspirations. In the same railroad section, they had artwork for a modern hump yard at night. A train depicted at the yard had green Alco cab units with a yellow stripe on their sides but no road name. For years I was frustrated with that paint scheme until I figured out it was the Alco demonstrator scheme! That brings back memories. I had such modeling aspirations but no money and tools and no one one to help! I was t.he only one interested in that in my family.
wjsix,
The ad link was excellent information. I am sorry if I confused anybody with the biffy thing. Many years ago in the NMRA bulletin there was a running joke about biffys, which was touonge in cheek code for outhouse or toilet. For some reason that term fell on disfavour with some of the group, and was eventually dropped. Many older NMRA members remember the many models that were contrived concerning scale outhouses and “biffys” in rolling stock. I do know the lot, color schemes, numbers of most all of the cabooses and have models of many of them. I have six of the 19XXX alone, and everybody seems to get the idea about which ones I am talking about when refered to as 19XXX. I even have a Lionel 7XX series Caboose, but it has no interior. My Grandfather and Father both refered to them as “submarine” cabooses and they both worked at Airilne, Stanley or Walbridge (Ohio) yards, and retired from the RR after many years in the service.
Again thanks for the ad, I have seen that picture but since I seem to be developing CRS (Can’t Remember Stuff) I had misplaced it somewhere in my head.
Paul
Daylton and Mad River RR