Opinion on railfans?

No. That would be horns blowing repeatedly in quiet zones at 5:00am with no vehicle, rail or pedestrian traffic or obstructions. I will leave it to others to speculate why.

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ā€œAnd indeed what is the point?ā€
Great Python sketch!!

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I must hear CSX engineers play ā€œShave & a haircut 2 bitsā€ every other day as they ā€œwave backā€ to people in the park across the river from the railroad. I enjoy it as I picture the smiles it brings to faces. When Santa Claus arrives here for the downtown holiday lighting ceremony, the engineer of his decorated locomotive plays ā€œJingle Bellsā€ on his one-note horn–and people love it.

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Union Pacific requests that fans stay back at least 25 ft. from the track. Someone was killed in Colorado because they didn’t follow that rule. You see a lot of dumb things if a steam loco is coming through.
Our local museum has an engineer give an Operation Lifesaver presentation to 2nd graders every spring. We encourage the kids to wave at train crews. Sometimes they will get a horn response. I do the same thing as my backyard is extremely close to the track. I stay on my side of the fence.
Always keep you local railroad’s emergency number on your phone. Having it on and not using it is better than not having it on and needing it.

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Ok well I did measurements on google earth and turns out I never go 10 feet from a train. I’m usually about 35-50 :sun_with_face:. But yes I will follow those guidelines, though I railfan on csx. Yeah when I said I go 10-30 feet away I was wrong. I don’t get that close.

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This clip below should show the pertinent part:

Here’s the whole video. Some people never learn.

Then there were the three girls taking a selfie in front of a Union Pacific train!

Yep, that’s no sunset in the background. That’s a headlight!

Cheers, Ed

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Some of the concerns are visible here:

I’ll never understand why people basically stand on let’s say track number 1 while a train goes on track number 2. And I’ve been in flagstaff, and people literally have crossed right after a train leaves the area. Let’s say the train was on track 1, and they were closest to track one, and as the train leaves they can’t see if anything is coming on track 2. Easy way to get killed, especially on such a busy subdivision.

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my own opinion as long as what they do is legal theres alot videos of theives and tresspassers calling themselves railfans

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Personally I think it’s amazing that railfans exist. There are almost as many plane spotters though as there are train spotters. I think that’s only because passenger aviation is a lot newer than the rail version. The problems are two fold.

  1. You have the issue that’s well documented of punks thinking it’s funny to attack railroaders. These also include those who break into rail cars to steal their contents. Graffiti artists fall into this category as well. All of these people can be considered to be involved in criminal activities which necessitate greater railroad security.

  2. The other segment that hurts railfans is more accidental. We’ve seen a fair number of deaths and injuries at railfans events which I suspect are proportional to the twin factors of growth of social media and betterment of smart phone technology, especially cameras. How many have died taking a selfie instead of being aware of their surroundings?

I highlight these ā€œlossesā€ as they’re known in business parlance simply because they’re often those that have the greatest consequence to public access to the railroads. Restoring and operating big steam on excursions has unfortunately made them a target for these groups, both the intentional and accidental. Group 1 makes railroaders nervous and defensive. Group 2 makes railroaders nervous and watchful in an already stressful job.

I think the answer is rapidly becoming possible. 24/7 A. I. surveillance of the right of way.

PS you don’t see clubs chasing accountants or staging comptroller events. My dad was both. His fans only made their presence known at his funeral when they showed up for the long motorcade to the cemetery.

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Only an answer if you get effective 24/7 legal prosecution of the ā€˜problem people’. More likely railfans will continue to get it in the neck because they’re easy to bully.

One particular problem that’s been touched on is when railfans try to ā€˜pretend’ they are railroaders by wearing safety vests, etc. this can make actual railroaders watchful, first for safety reasons they weren’t expecting, and second because it might be weed-weaselry ready to perform some test or look for grounds for wack discipline. Those are bad and unnecessary distractions for crews trying to work.

We’ve had discussions in the past about railfans who think trains operate so they can get and photodocument ā€˜catches’ and don’t care what problems they cause in so doing. I remember one case where a crew ā€˜ruined’ a particular shot by keeping a nose door open, so a fan reported that as a nominal safety violation.

The catch is in part that some railfans find the people who work the trains as interesting as the trains themselves… but their subjects may not share the same enthusiasm, nostalgia, or whatever. I remember what was written as an amusing story in Trains about the last operating FT on the Southern, whose engineer ā€˜didn’t want his pitcher took’ and actually threw an apple core at the eager photographers at one point. That is not as amusing now as it was then.

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Railfans can be very entitled.

And ā€œentitlementsā€ are just a delusion. :wink:

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Were those girls actually railfans or just people visiting some tracks? A real railfan would never do that, especially with knowledge of how a train works.

You give railfans entirely too much credit, just because Some don’t do Incredibly Stoopid Schitt, it doesn’t mean that ALL railfans Never do anything Stoopid, anymore than it means ALL railfans always do Stoopid things. Railfans fall into a broad spectrum, just like Society in general

Just look at Driving, if someone has a Driver’s License, they Should be a Good Driver, Right??. How many times a day do we all see Proof, that this isn’t the case?

Doug

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Yeah, a lot of railfans can be very stupid.

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Probably a fraction of a percent.

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There are plenty of railfans doing illegal things. Some have caused railfans to be barred from the property. The E&LS is the perfect example. While run-of-the-mill thieves may steal from containers, you know it’s railfans when builder plates, horns and bells are stolen.

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Railfans stealing horns? What a surprise :neutral_face:

So true. A lot of railfanning areas etc have been banned here in the U.K.

I have a couple rules i follow whilst railfanning.

  1. Stay a good bit away from the train: I usually stay at a point right before the ballast goes up to the rails if possible, and if there’s a fence, setup to capture through it.

  2. Pay attention: If there’s a possibility that the the wind of the train will affect something near it, set up further away.

  3. Be polite: If someone tells you to leave, Leave, you’re close to railroad property, they don’t have to let you see the trains.

  4. Don’t be weird: Don’t try taking photos of specifically of the crew, or of security, and when chasing, don’t try to be suspicious.