Pennsy steam prowessA Pennsylvania Railroad T1 4-4-4-4 pauses with an eastbound train at Fort Wayne, Ind., in 1939. The railroad had 52 such “duplex” steam locomotives, along with other wheel arrangements. All were retired by the end of 1946.
Robert A. Hadley photo
Well that’s wrong!! Perhaps 1949 instead of '39 and 1956 instead of '46. Always nice to get a T1 photo but come on fellas, that’s kinda bad. We sort of count on you.
Yeah I thought the same thing but then after all both pictures are in Fort Wayne.
“The Pennsylvania Railroad station in Fort Wayne, Ind., was busy each afternoon and evening as the railroad’s eastbound passenger train fleet rolled in. Here, a distinctive T1 class 4-4-4-4 receives some attention under the lights.”
I have never expected that I have the privilege to correct a photo caption of Trains Magazine, let’s fix it:
Pennsy steam prowessA Pennsylvania Railroad T1 4-4-4-4 pauses with an eastbound train at Fort Wayne, Ind., in 1939 (Should be 1948-1953, #5536(?) was modified on Sep 30, 1948). The railroad had 52 (Should be 80, including S1 6-4-4-6 1, Q1 4-6-4-41, Q2 4-4-6-4*26)and such “duplex” steam locomotives, along with other wheel arrangements. All were retired by the end of 1946 (Should be 1953).
Thank you so much for the warm welcome, Wayne! I really have that coming home feeling when I start posting on Classic Trains forum again after a month “break”, I really miss and love you guys!
I am 100% alright, I wish I could share my adventure story with you guys in person, now! I can feel all the blessing from you guys during my “adventure” in Hong Kong, I’m so grateful for all your support and concern. Tension eased off a little bit here after G7 but this is going to be a struggle of attrition fighting against the largest authoritarian regime in the world. I understand that this is a hobby forum, but I would like to invite everyone who cherishes the value of democracy and liberty keep following the news of the democracy movement in Hong Kong. #StandWithHongKong
I wish I could posting stuff as frequently as before, but if the situation getting worse again, I might need to take another break. But I can promise, I won’t stay away too long! [C][swg]
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Good to see you back Jones.
How do you get 100… 52+1+1+26= 80
Pictures exist of T1’s at Altoona as late as '56 but long in dead lines, still on the property but retired nonethe
Yes, that “…take a loss…” has had railfans, especially PRR fans, scratching their heads for years, especially since they should have been making money hand over fist like all the other 'roads did during WW2.
Did they spend it like drunken sailors? Strange.
Mr. Jones, I’ve been paying attention to Hong Kong and I suspect most of us are. The West may do a lot of business with the PRC but I for one have never lost sight of who and what they are. Quite frankly, I’ve never been 100% comfortable with it, for a variety of reasons.
Of course, this isn’t the place for discussions like that, so that’s all I’ll say on the matter.
No head-scratching required: it was a paper loss, and JPS1 can explain it far better than I can. What was actually happening in that time was the same colossal inflation of costs that Chesapeake & Western observed with their steam, combined with the recognition – I’m not sure precisely when, but likely right around the '46 to '48 window – that modern boilers require treated water, and high horsepower in steam implies large water rate that can’t go through track pans.
The thing that killed steam wasn’t any paper “loss” – it was the observation that F7s could go across five divisions without change or watering or refuelling, with zero need for coast-to-coast anything. There is of course a corollary for passenger engines on long-distance trains, and I don’t think we need to invoke the conspiracy theory quite yet to see why PRR prioritized reliable diesel-electrics over T1s by 1948.
MEANWHILE – the great ‘what if’, and Mike can probably go back and flesh this out, is the story in the mid-Twenties, as told by Clessie Cummins. There was strong support for internal-combustion power, at both large and small scale, up to 1927. Then a key advocate died, and wasn’t replaced ‘in kind’, and the next couple of decades are history.
I totally understand your feeling, Wayne. No matter how they dressing up themselves in the past 30 years, the CCP gov is still a cancer of modern human civilization. What they have been doing to the people in Xinjiang and the concentration camp the CCP built for them is disgraceful and disgusting. Their HSR network is indeed impressive, but imagine a civilian couldn’t even buy a train ticket (or many other things) if he/she (or his/her friends, employees) complained/criticized to any government department, or committed any “crime” that is against the ridicules rules set by the regime. Their infamous “Social Credit System” is turning their whole country into giant prison with billions of CCTVs installed and connecting to the Big Data. No justice, no freedom, no privacy, but a score above every civilian’s head! We should stop them. [li]