Pleasant surprise...something I use that is now USA made!

[Mark_R]

… a freight yard on the Zhunshi line in China…

I visited China in 2008 and was shocked by what I saw! Long gone are the days of this country being backwards and producing cheap junk. That´s what we want to see to feel superior. Look at Blackstone´s HOn3 locos - that´s the reality! Look at Bachmann (UK) - not the cheap junk you think you get. Not that I am particularly fond of this development, but I don´t think it is reversible.

Oh, btw, China does build air liners - under the license of Airbus…

http://english.comac.cc/

That’s not in China - that is no question a US rail yard.

THIS is a rail yard in China, note no Auto-Max cars, TTX container cars, etc. …

Mark.

[NittanyLion]

You need to look more closely. A huge percentage of those “excelent cars” are Toyotas, Nisans, Hyundays, Hondas. and Kias. American airlines are increasingly buying the European Airbus and small jets built by Canadair. We have already lost the passenger aircraft made by Lockeed, McDonnel, and Douglas Aircraft.

You can’t really have lost Lockheed and MD. MD is part of Boeing now. Boeing wanted MD’s extensive fighter portfolio and to gobble up a few key contracts they didn’t get (like the C-17). Lockheed bowed out of the civil aircraft market in the 80s. They never made the jump to jetliners, other than the L-1011.

[BATMAN]

It’s funny. Discussions like these, whether in a forum or at a party, sure expose those that have a passport and have used it, compared to those that haven’t. Guess who is alway’s the most opinionated?

[Dusty_Solo]

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If I remember correctly, when the Chinese used steam engines, some of those where built in America.

Something I notice when thumbing through, ‘To China For Steam’ were the number of steamers running the rails back then in 1983 when the book was published that were imported from overseas - the US, in oarticular & even Poland got to export steamers to China. Some of them look definately European while others are distinctly & easily recognizable as being of American in origin while others are home grown. Some of the more majestic of these have brass banners attached to the top of their smoke boxes & facing forwarc have P

olitical encouragements, for example; “Aiming High” & another, “Liberation”.

Dusty

[Anonymous]

China built steam locos long after the demise of steam in the western world. Those built in the 1950´s and 1960´s and thereafter mainly followed Russian design. The famous QJ class was built until 1988 (!), the design copying the Russian LV class from Lugansk Locomotive Factory.

I have my doubts that any loco built in the US hit Chinese soil after 1949.

[trwroute]

WOW! This thread has really veered of course. Some interesting reading, though.

[BATMAN]

I would not be surprised if the lids, seals and jars were all made in a third world country (maybe China) and imported into the U.S. where they were married together as a finished product. Thus enabling the made in U.S.A. lable. The lids on both jars look much the same.

Here is a chart showing made in North America cars and trucks and the percentage of foreign parts they contain. Yet they still get the Made in U.S./Can. lable.

I think it was up to Badger to have made sure they were getting the right product. They may have bought “off the shelf jars” without doing their homework.

[maxman]

Here is a chart showing made in North America cars and trucks and the percentage of foreign parts they contain. Yet they still get the Made in U.S./Can. lable.

So, in the case of the Titan 50% is made in USA/Canada, and 20% is made in other countries. On what planet is the other 30% made? Do we have a trade agreement with the Martians or the Venusians? How do we know that they are not using conscripted labor from other planets?

[BATMAN]

BATMAN
Here is a chart showing made in North America cars and trucks and the percentage of foreign parts they contain. Yet they still get the Made in U.S./Can. lable.

So, in the case of the Titan 50% is made in USA/Canada, and 20% is made in other countries. On what planet is the other 30% made? Do we have a trade agreement with the Martians or the Venusians? How do we know that they are not using conscripted labor from other planets?

Good catch Maxman. I had to phone a friend in the business to ask. Apparently the missing amount is a variable or that percentage is so in flux between home made or imported it just isn’t included. [^o)]

[Dusty_Solo]

China built steam locos long after the demise of steam in the western world. Those built in the 1950´s and 1960´s and thereafter mainly followed Russian design. The famous QJ class was built until 1988 (!), the design copying the Russian LV class from Lugansk Locomotive Factory.

I have my doubts that any loco built in the US hit Chinese soil after 1949.

I’m impressed, Ulrich. You sure know your subject well.

Your posts make for very interesting reading.

Dusty

[big_daydreamer]

That is indeed a US train yard http://www.flickr.com/photos/27045884@N05/4632952344

Thank the new Google reverse image search.

[alexstan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railways_SY

China still uses Steam fairly regularly.

“The SY is one of the few steam locomotives still found in active service in the 21st Century, mostly working in coal and steel industries but can also be found heading commuter trains from time to time. The last steam locomotive built in China is SY1772, completed in 1999. The SY class were also among the few Chinese steam locomotives to be exported. In 1989 and 1991, three SYs were constructed for tourist railroads in the United States, SY1647m for the Valley Railroad, SY1658m for the Knox and Kane Railroad were built in 1989 with a third being built in 1991 for the New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway. This third one was lost at sea during shipment in the Indian Ocean when the ship it was on sunk.”"

[Dusty_Solo]

Well, I’ll be danged… If thats not the best export out of China there’s ever been, then I’ll be a monkeys uncle.

Now to bed & some decent transport dreams.

Dusty.

[trwroute]

I would not be surprised if the lids, seals and jars were all made in a third world country (maybe China) and imported into the U.S. where they were married together as a finished product. Thus enabling the made in U.S.A. lable. The lids on both jars look much the same.

The jars are completely different. The lids are thicker with the correct seal. The jars are even different. They are just like the old made in the US jars.

[ho_modern_modeler]

In response to the O.P.: Badger, if you’re reading this, the foam inserts are pretty much useless. I’ve also had them dissolve and fall into the paint, leaving no seal so the paint dries in the jar. When I’ve used them with acrylic paint they stick to the top of the jar and have to be scraped off with a razor blade. The cardboard ones with the glossy surface work the best. Sorry, I’m a Model Railroader, pleading the 5th on “Made in China” argument.