you can also just click here
http://www.lionel.com/newsletter/DealerAnnouncement/86thru91singles.pdf
As a tip, when you post a link, hit “enter” afterwards and it’ll make it autolink on the site.
Thanks I corrected it
Great news and pics. Are any of these 027-031? Sure hope the GG1 is.
Thanks for the link, RT. Waiting for you to start that “RT’S Work In Progress” thread. Now if the powers that be only give you a breather from work to work on it!
Jack
That ain’t nothin’! Check out the Pre-Order pricing!
http://store.trainzpreorder.com/Store/Search.aspx?&Page=1&Sort=0&key=LC
And my goodness yes, they are all O-31 compatible! Did you really need to ask?
Jon [8D]
Some general questions and observations, correct me if I am wrong:
Will the 2332 GG1 in 31777 Madison passenger set 2124W be single motored no magnetraction and (obviously) no traction tires like original, at Trainz set price at $306? Has 3 passenger cars. Original 2332 had single motor, no magnetraction.
2340 GG1 engine (only), dual motored and magnetraction at Lionel catalogue price $280? Traction tires also?
31778 1484WS 2056 Hudson passenger set at Trainz for $396. You get a whole set…a 2056 with both magnetraction (like original) and traction tires (unlike original), tender, and 4 244X passenger cars.
Sounds to me that the items picked for rerelease and the prices will generate a lot of interest, even in original postwar holdouts like me who have stayed away from rereleases and reproductions. Not sure about the features as stated above.
What am I missing here?
Jack
Am I mis-reading the 2056 set description? Will the loco have an operation coupler on the rear? Or are they referring to the tender?
And by the way, the original was produced in 1952, hence no Magnetraction. Correct me if I’m wrong.
The pre-order prices are pretty nice.
Mike
From the site:
‘This 20 wheeled, 14.25 inch GG-1 locomotive comes equipped with DUAL Pullmor motors, Electronic Horn and Bell, and MAGNATRACTION. It has a die-cast body and pilots, die-cast metal trucks with operating couplers, TRACTION TIRES, and an electronic e-unit with Direction Lock.’
The non-set GG-1 has the same features
Lionel has released these items with some enhancements to make them better than the originals. The Traction Tires help with pulling off with a heavy load, and aid in traversing inclines.
The operating coupler is on the tender… why would the engine need one? [;)]
Correct, Mike, original 2056 Hudson from 1952 no magnetraction (victim of Korean war?) that the 2046 (1950, 1951, and 1953) and later 646 (1954-1958) had. Otherwise, all three were exactly the same in appearance and functionality. Sorry for the mistake. But the 2056 rerelease does have traction tires I believe that the original of course did not have.
Jack
Although there’s often many a slip between catalog and production, these new Lionels interest me, and would do so even more if I had any money. Strictly speaking, they are not reissues of the originals, however. I expect them to be much better than the originals – as far as my wants are concerned – but not everyone will agree.
Some features that the new GG1 will have that the original 2332 (from 1948) didn’t have:
Magnetraction;
Rubber traction tire;
Dual motors (the single-motor 2332 was a wimp);
Electronic horn (The old box-type horn was unique. When it would work it was interesting.);
Electronic Bell;
Electronic e-unit.
Frankly, this new 2332 sounds to me more like an enhanced 2330 with a 2332 number.
But I think it’s’ precisely what Lionel should be doing. I have taken many of my old prewar locos and enhanced* them precisely by installing electronic e-units and/or upgraded (but basic sound systems. Sometimes, I just pull a RailSounds boxcar and ignore the original horn/whistle altogether.
I could easily love these new releases; but folks do need to read the fine print.
- My opinion. Please correct any errors of fact.
Brent,
That’s what I figured they meant but the description reads funny, “The steam loco has a die-cast metal body, chassis, and trucks, and an operating die-cast coupler on the rear.”
Mike
Those are great prices. The Lackawana TM thunderbird set at $270 was a no brainer for me. Especially since each set contains a $50 gift certificate off the next offering.
Nice Irvington car remakes! another GG-1? Why?!
So I have to ask “Where is the beef”?
Where is the 773 Hudson everyone is looking for?
Where are the UP Alco aniversary sets?
the NYC, WP, and Sante Fe F’3?
What! no pennsy slope back switcher with ringing bell? Argh!
A 665, a 736 Berk, would be nice.
Who does their marketing?! Gee a virginian w/o electronics, hmm, didn’t Lionel just come out with the EP-5, Virginian and CN&J Trainmaster loaded with electronics for about the same price as these?
I don’t get it. If I was going to purchase a post war classic, I can still get one for about the same price as these from a friendly TCA member, auction or local train meet.
Well maybe I am way off base, and these sets will open the doors for new collectors, Great! But personally what brought me back to Lionel was the new scale items, sound, and Command Control. I thought this was the future of Lionel?
The thunderbird set is $414.99 the Viginian trainmaster engine is $239.99
My bust now I see where the $270.00 comes in if I had I would also jump on it.
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I don’t get it. If I was going to purchase a post war classic, I can still get one for about the same price as these from a friendly TCA member, auction or local train meet."
I do get it. Some folks, myself included, prefer absolutely mint, new condition trains, which would be sky high for postwar originals, or slightly scuffed, no boxes for the excellent models available at these new Conventional Classic prices, at best. So these models are for that particular niche in the market. Mint mock postwar :).
“Well maybe I am way off base, and these sets will open the doors for new collectors, Great! But personally what brought me back to Lionel was the new scale items, sound, and Command Control. I thought this was the future of Lionel?”
In their published statements, Jerry Calabrese has made it crystal clear that Lionel plans to cater to both the technophiles who want Legacy and TMCC in their postwar replicas and scale models and those who prefer the conventional traditional style models. So there’s something for everyone in each catalog in most cases. I, like you, prefer the command equipped stuff, but it will be a simple and relatively inexpensive retrofit, if one wishes to take these Conventional Classics and install a TMCC receiver from the Electric Train Company (the company founded by Lionel’s current Chief Technology Officer Jon Zahornacky). I may well do that with Virginian black and yellow Conventional Classic and have a postwar Trainmaster with TMCC for about $250 or so. Not bad.
Charlie Ro “Early Bird” pricing for the Thunderbird Set is $249.95, the locomotive is worth more than that. Guess Lionel is trying to beat this “slow down”.
I just called my LHS yesterday and ordered the GG-1 set.
The last time I checked, which wasn’t too long ago, it would be difficult to find an original postwar GG-1 in ANY condition for less than the price of the set. The local shop which deals in only postwar has three at the moment, ranging in price from $495 to $600. I often see Madison cars in rough shape(peeling/missing paint) sell for over $150 each.
An original set would likely cost $1000, and that’s with no stripes on the engine, and peeling paint on the cars. For less than half of that price, I’m getting a brand new, mint in box set that will run better(dual motors and magnetraction, as opposed to a single motor and no magnetraction). To me, it’s a no brainer at least on this particular set, one which I’ve wanted for a long time but couldn’t possibly afford an original of.