Hi All,
I have tried to find information on what a T1 would pull. Can anyone give me a consist that one would typically pull and who has these cars (Walthers, etc)?
Regards,
Nige.
Nige
Have a look at the Pennsylvania Railroad technical and historical Societies site,and go to their discussion web;I have had a bit of chat with the knowlegable types about the same subject recently.
On my model I can only fit a T1 and 8 cars-the real things doubled this sort of length.
Great looking engines[tup]
Steve
Hi Steve,
Thanks for that! Any Links or URLs that you know of?
It is a great looking engine, I’m in about the same boat with length. I didn’t realise they pulled so many cars!
Regards,
Nige.
T1s were desigend to replace double headed K4s primarily in the western end racetrack from Crestline Ohio to Chicago. As I remember they were designed to pull eighteen lightweight cars at 100 MPH. Slippery on start once rolling there really was no limit to what they could do or how fast they could go. They were very dirty engines making much smoke. They were rigid frame not articulated. There has been much dialogue about the slipperyness. Some engineers have said they had no problem starting them and it required a different style to start from other engines. Others claim they were not balanced properly causing the slipperyness. None were saved
Nige
Try www.prrths.com and wander around the site-you’ll find it.
While I’m at it,TLC Publishing do/did a book called Pennsylvania Railroad,Passsenger trains,Consists and Cars-1952.Vol.1 East -West trains.This will give you lots of consist info.
Oh by the way,the author is Harry Stegmaier Jnr.
Steve[:D]
Nige
A quick extra-I had a dekko on TLC publishings site and that book is no longer in print.
Pity-it’s a good 'un.
Steve
In Volume 41, Number 1 of the “Keystone” (Official Publication of the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical and Historical Society), there was a 41 page article about the T1’s. It’s quite recent, so there ought to be copies available.
Ed
Here’s some information straight from PRR correspondence. Observed run (by road foreman in cab) of Train 75, Harrisburg to Altoona, 9/23/45 with #6110 on 21 (!!) cars:
7 express, 1 refrigerator, 1 PB-70, 6 coaches, 2 diners, 2 pullman, 1 dormitory, 1 business car.
Back story - Rain and fog the whole way, only 2 slips. Left 6 minutes late, arrived 2 minutes early, made up 8 minutes on the run. This included some intermediate stops and starting on the grade at Tyrone without a slip. This run was made by one of the best crews on the Middle Div., which indicates what a T1 could do if properly handled, even with lousy rail conditions and a huge train. There’s also documentation of 19 and 20 car trains on this route. MOst of the trains wre 15 cars or more.
I have an HO T1, but I’ve never tried this many cars!
To get closer to what we can run on a typical layout, there were a few examples of 9 and 10-car trains, but the exact consist wasn’t recorded.
Hi fentonhill,
Thanks for that info! Certainly 21 cars is too long and as you said it is about 10 max for me as well.
I need to track down the apprpriate cars now! Do you have any good places to start, i.e. which manufacturers?
Reagrds,
Nige.
I wish I could help, but I’m not much of a modeler. Most of my work is in 12" = 1’-0"scale. As far as HO goes, I’m a free-lancer with my own railroad. I’ve done a lot of work on PRR T1 history and found this was a good opportunity to share some of the info I’ve picked up during the past 12 years. I’m sure there’s a lot of PRR passenger and head-end models available. I only have one PRR passenger car, a duplex/roomette similar to one I rode on in the 1970’s on the Broadway between Harrisburg and Chicago. That was SDP40F time, IIRC.
Walthers sells both the R50b express refrigerator car and the B60b baggage car. Their 12-1, 10-6 sleepers are true PRR cars. The P85 long ditance coach is available from Des Plaines Hobbies but I forget the company name that makes them. Bachman makes the P70 cars.
The Rivarossi square end obs is a Pennsy prototype. Check Jerry Brittons Keystone Crossings web site. He lists every passenger car and who makes them in every scale (if they are available).
This should help.
Thanks ndbprr & Selector!
I’ll have a look when I get a chance, I’m away for work at the moment so just having a quick drop in.
Regards,
Nige.
The T1 was for passenger service. In Pittsburgh no’s 6110 & 6111 would like to derail when leaving the station heading west. There was 13 degree curve at a 0.8% grade. They were then embargoed East of Crestline, The 5500 series had a lateral motion device and could have mitigated the problem but diesels era was starting.
Sorry forgot to mention that I got that information from “The Pennsy in the Steel City” published by The Pennsylvania Railroad Technical and Historical Society
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