Hello people, would anyone know if Stewart Hobbies S-12 loco for Southern Pacific prototipically represent its prototype for a time frame of 1950 to 1951, as I have seen a photo of the Stewart Hobbies model which has a bulge on the fireman’s side. So, is the bulge correct for a time frame of 1950 to 1952 or is it not? and would the half vent ‘louvered’ doors on the fireman’s side be correct for a time frame of 1950 to 1952 or is it not?
P.S.-I have not found any photos of a real life SP S-12 loco for a 1950 to 1952 era, as the only photos I have found were of a 1965 to late 1970’s era, as SP S-12 locos of this era were heavily modified, thus don’t provide me with any info on their vent ‘louvered’ doors or that bulge for the early 50’s
I have the book Baldwin Diesel Locomotives,The louvers and roadnumber match up.A Southern S-12 has a bulge,but the SP pictures aren’t good enough to tell if there is a bulge there or not. Joe
nambo, the Southern Pacific S-12 were delivered with the bulge on the firemans side and the louvered doors. The book “Diesel Builders Vol. 3 Baldwin Locomotive Works” has both colored and black and white pictures of the Southern Pacific S-12 # 1442 in it taken at the plant. Also the pictures show that the tiger striping should also be on the air reservior between the trucks and the bell was mounted about 3 feet behind the exhaust stack and you can see the air pipeing going to the bell for the ringer. Also the hand rail ends were painted white as were the sides of the wheels. Hope this helps.
Thank you very much joseph2 and Eddystone, but would any of you guys know if SP got rid of that bulge before the year 1952?
Also Eddystone, what do you mean by “you can see the air pipeing going to the bell for the ringer” I thought that the bell was ‘dinged’ by a rope, or I’am I wrong, would you be able to provied a photo of this? And what bell would I use for the Stewart Hobbies SP S-12 loco as it doesn’t come with a bell and what detail part manufacture would provide this bell? Also did SP S-12 have 2 lights in the head light housing for the early 1950’s, say 1951?
nambo, for bells in HO scale I found these in the Walthers catalog that might be a close match, but I have’nt seen them in person to say for sure. The air line in the picture comes out the top over the bell and down the back towards the cab. As for air rung bells I think it’s safe to say that most bells on diesel locos are air operated, no pull cords like on a steam loco. http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/235-128 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/235-134
For the bulge question, the S-12 # 1442 was built on 1/23/51 the first of the S-12’s for the Southern Pacific.
I can’t tell you what units came with the single headlight vs dual signal light but in the books I have #1442 has the single light and the #1541 has the dual light.
Here is a link to a Baldwin Locomotive website that has a bunch of pictures on SP S-12’s through their life. I did’nt see any that showed the bell very well but the S-12’s built for the Southern Railway had the same bell. http://yardlimit.railfan.net/baldwindiesels/sp/index.html
If you send an e-mail to Bowser, who now owns Stewart, and ask them they might be able to tell you if their model is “as delivered” or is from a Roseville rebuild, and what year is represents.
Also, does anyone know if the S-12 type loco for Southern Pacific, road number #1458 (the real loco) had a door sort of a thing on the bottom right hand side of the front radiator? as the Stewart Hobbies version of loco #1442 (I can’t find pics of the model for loco #1458) has this door. So would the model of loco #1458 and the real loco have this door thing too and would this be prototipical if it were to model in a period of 1950 to 1952?